Question: User:theRepublic, have you read the thread enough to have a general idea about what is going on?

Still working my way through.

For the sake of brevity, the following all makes the assumption that Wonk is mafia:

I remembered this post,(reference) but assumed it was more about trying to draw some connection between Heph and I. Now with everything else, the latter part definitely feels like a teaser for trying to give the idea of lynching radish. Also, it certainly does seem like Wonk is painting radish out to be a townie, a harmful townie but a townie nonetheless. I wonder if this really was an effort to cause a mislynch with the guise of creating a "stronger town" or if Wonk already knew the idea wouldn't fly and thus mafia-radish would not only be safe from a lynch now, but come out looking townie.

Though it feels like your rule borders on meta, which I thought you frowned upon, can you refresh my memory? I feel like you explained it as mafia vote for other mafia day one so that on later days if the other mafia is caught they can say something lie "Hah, I knew that!" Is that correct? And if so, since you've already stated that rule previously, isn't there some yomi thing that would explain exactly why Wonk wouldn't vote for another mafia?

Quoting prof, but this is directed more at Wonk.

What I don't get is that nobody even mentioned thinking about ending the day without a lynch, until you brought up radish as like a "last resort" option.

Also, I think you misunderstood prof about the bolded. I believe he means 'Mafia aren't seeing if other mafia are thinking along the same lines. They would be trying to see if there are townies that are thinking the same, so that they can capitalize on it.'

What do you mean by the bolded, as in what is "it"?

Going to sum up all my posts about your absence here, because replying to them all would just be silly. I really meant the "bit" part, meaning it's only slightly worrisome. Moreso that over 25% of the players haven't been around than thinking any of you are suspicious for it. I hope last round isn't repeated. As my earlier post said, I was genuinely only concerned with trangentspree, who has now been replaced and I'm willing to offer some grace to theRepublic for jumping in those shoes.

I do realize that it isn't out of the question for people to have the online status when they aren't actually browsing VGC/reading the thread, but when I see it then I am hopeful to hear something from them. I'm not accusing you of being online but not posting. Same goes for the others, but if the popping online without saying anything continues then I will have to question if they're playing that game.

I still disagree on posting more vs posting better even mafia want fellow mafia to post better because lots of posts filled with nothing will reveal a scum even more than lurking can. Plus mafia would also want there teammates to post well to try and find any townies with a power role.

What I through out wasn't even an accusation.  It was an idea of what we could do if someone doesn't stand out.  However I did still give my reasons for it and stand by those even if others disagree. But that would just be general gameplay philosophy.

I concur with the 1st paragraph. That's exactly what I was thinking, Radish would never get lynched for that, and both would look slightly more townie, and if wonk or radish flip scum later, the other would look better. Although that would take significant planning if it were the case, it does seem plausible.

And yes, it is for that reason and another. Additionally, it also leads to the same logical fallacy as, "it seems strange to me that a mafia would make a case out of another mafia who wasn't under suspicion", which occurred last game. I find that a lot of tendencies result from experiences of the very previous game. This fallacy happened late last game, but I forget exactly who did it.

And yes, he was misunderstanding me, mafia throw out an idea and see who bites. That is in the scum manual.

And I believe by "it" he means "trust".

Another problem I have with that statement is his lexicon: "shouldn't really trust him". That comes off a little weird, though forgivable.

Unfortunately, I have to say that this post imo guarantees ABCs town affiliation. That idea that noname's effort paints him as pro-town is townie logic.

I also think that noname is town. While I don't think he would go through all that trouble to chronicle the statements over time, I think he is capable of doing so in order to appear townie. In either case, both appear much more town to me than previously.

However, this also furthers my suspicion of trashleg for putting an easy vote on ABC.

While ABC is horrendously bad at communication (and thinks he's doing much better as a robot, despite being a great example of self-fulfilling prophecy), I think he has very good intuition, and has been making some good points.

No I'm admiting a mistake I did make. You're townie x was the person the scum would kill at night.  My townie x wasn't supposed to be that same person. The weakest player and the player most likely to be lynched day one are very unlikely to be the same person.  I started out  post without person x.  Then reworded it after useing person x without rechecking how you used it.  So it very much was a mistake that I made.