poor excuse. i didnt notice that i was talking to Heph any more than any other people. And Im hours and hours ahead of a lot of the world, i went to bed.

i was pretty shattered last night, and not much except the joking was going on. i was planning on spending this evening when i get in from uni, organising my thoughts. i do have suspicions but i wanna build them up before i go running my mouth.

Oh forgot to say this...

FoS the clown.... for not even realizing that me saying he was funny looking... was a pun on his sceen name... that and taking my attack on Noname to the first degree when he did the exact same thing (I even commented on this game being ninja themes as I got ninjaed twice in my replies already).

That said, I'm entirely against first day lynches of new players, even if they do a massive slips, they deserve their chance to play here a bit and get the atmosphere.

I am however for not letting slip through first day lynch the other players that slip up, as otherwise, they just slip through the holes and continue slipping scrutiny as other people appear to slip up every day (like radish did 2 rounds ago sleeping though his townie duties after sliping on first day.... that was a usefull tool for the mafia). I'd sleep better with first day targets properly prosecuted. (that also means cops can investigates the slip, lynch is not an absolute).

I knew there was another post I wanted to reply to before going to bed!

FoS: Wonktonodi

It seems like you're saying if there's nobody that seems scummy, then we should lynch a player that you think is townie. Regardless of how he has been used by scum this isn't one of the larger games and there likely are very few mislynches available before things get really serious. I don't think that no lynch is the best option given an odd number of players, but that's still far better than voting for someone that is likely a townie.

I'm with you on not lynching a new player first day.  We'll see what he does today with all the fos on him. 

If I were to look through all the archives of mafia on here I wonder how many first day lynches are scum.  From what I've seen first days tend to be going for someoen for some small slip and people making it bigger any defence the person has can then be used as evidence the person is scum and thus a townie gets lynched but the town feels good because the person "seemed scummy"

Now I'm not saying that should be replayed by lynching someone we think is town. I'm saying we should still try and find scum but if no one really stands out instead of not lyniching because we think everyone is town we lynch the person who is most likely to hurt the town. 

So you're saying you think radish is likely a townie based just on the fist day? Curently everyone is "likely to be a townie" that's the odds, but that doesn't mean it's far better to vote no lynch today. 

No lynch is still better than lynching someone who you think will be town, surely?

Also, I have no reason to believe that I'm more likely to hurt the town than any other member here- if the Mafia decide to revolve their plan around a perticular player, then that makes sense, but they might choose someone else (since I'm likely to be alerted after last game).

If the chances are that everyone is likely to be a townie, I think that we should keep looking until that situation changes.

However, I agree with you that the situations where someone makes a small mistake and it's inflated greatly is bad for the town, because they always seem to end in a mislynch.

Actually I'm thinking linyches give you more information than a no lynch.  And there is thinking someone will be town by odds and there is thinking it by behavior.  On day one there isn't too much behavior to read but does that always mean a no lynch is best?

Obviously lynches give you more information, but a (mis)lynch on the first day isn't going to give you much information, is it? The only thing that it would do is reduce the numbers so that you have better odds next time - which isn't worth killing a townie just out of curiosity. You're right in that there isn't much behaviour to read on day 1, and clearly we disagree, but I reckon that 9 times out of 10 that a no-lynch is best if there isn't anything solid to go on. Especially in a game with such a low player count as this.

So you instead propose that we lynch someone based purely on his performance in the last two games?