1/6) I re-read your original points, and I admit that I started talking past you.  I agree with most of your reasoning, but those were the exact reasons why I trusted trash, i.e. they were very solid reasons for believing that neither she nor prof was scum, and thus the field narrowed down to two.  And once we reached that, the endgame became clear.  Elimination's a very strong arguement: radish bought in so quickly precisely because it's relatively irrefutable.

Basically, we seem to be in agreement about trash being confirmed: I just laid out my work in the quoted post to help speed things along.

5)  I don't think that's a particularly strong message, though.  You'd essentially be pushing for a Godfather AND a Miller in a game that's already over the Golden Ratio.  That's even less plausible than the Miller And Three Scum, which itself was hard to swallow.  It goes back to what I said; mafia setups can get crazy, but there's a certain predictability to them when the mod knows how the game works, as Truck does.  This goes double for vanillla games, which we have here.  In essence, the Miller claim not only confirmed trash's story, but it didn't fit with the setup. 

As an aside, though, if you had killed trash you still might have won.  There'd only be one confirmed townie then, and while it would have been tough to misdirect us twice, it would have still been possible.  We're a paranoid bunch, you see.

Apologies to Republic, but I really didn't want prof to die night one. Same goes for Heph. If it was only up to me, radish would've gone, because I think a round conversing with others that are confirmed might do a lot of good.

Nah, only chance would've been if I could get you or Heph lynched day four. Kill prof overnight, and then possibly maybe convince radish. But odds were just as slim as leaving trash alive and guessing her scan right.

I might've had a chance without the miller claim, but with both my scummates on a thin thread why not hop on board?

Ok, so I'm just going to explain how my gambit was supposed to work.

I promise I will never do one again.

Basically, the whole thing was a red herring with one goal in mind. Have people place themselves into groups.

The premise revolved around seeing or noticing the clue, and being told that people who didn't notice were suspicious.

Having had some help, I saw it, but noticed that not many others had.

The first three people (ABC, Heph, Radish) were the condition. None of the three had noticed. I put FF as noticed, knew based on his reactions but later would ask him to confirm.

The next person to place themselves was trashleg, noticing and knowing.

Linkz was next, noticing but not sure.

That created a chart like this:

Linkz

Heph
ABC
Radish

FF
Prof
Trashleg

So at this point, three are three categories. 
Not noticing-1
Unsure-3
Knowing-2 plus one tentative

Noname was last to confirm that he noticed, and was clarified to didn't notice, didn't know. 

At this point, Linkz asked to be moved to "didn't notice, didn't know"

Stefl never showed up.

So that was my data.

So, my reasoning began with the idea that initially, there were 3 suspicious characters and 1 not-suspicious (from my POV, and mafia knowing that I'm town can share that perspective).

At that point, there were two options. Place yourself in the suspicious category, or not suspicious category. However, the foundation lies within those three initial players.

• If, as a mafia, you place yourself in the suspicious category and everyone else says they noticed, then you've just created a small pool of players who are suspicious, and accidentally given credit to the evidence.

For example, there are three players in suspicious, you also claim suspicious. That's one mafia in a theoretical group of 4. Not bad odds for a mafia to have.

• If, as mafia, you place yourself in the not suspicious category, and the opposite of above happens, you've done the same.

GG to everyone.

Linkz your only mistake was claiming miller. Millers get lynched no matter what at some point.

It's all good, and lesson learned.  For my part, sorry about throwing what amounted to a hissy fit about it.

So prof how in the world did you think I was cop?

great read. I want in the next game, but I wouldn't mind much if I'm killed(one way or another) early and got to play more videogames too. I spent more time reading through the thread as scum than I did when I was a townie. Also, I hated being scum this round.

Any objections to us releasing the mafia quicktopic?

I'm sure Stefl won't mind as he barely said anything.

haha sweet dead thread.

@republic and wonk

I was seriously played by linkz. He manipulated my evidence and thought process all too well. He's a smooth criminal.

I guess not