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Linkzmax said:
A Bad Clown said:

Just quoting as a request that if you come online, please don't hammer the no lynch yet.


Back, why not?



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A Bad Clown said:
Linkzmax said:
A Bad Clown said:

Just quoting as a request that if you come online, please don't hammer the no lynch yet.


Back, why not?

because he asked you not to.



A Bad Clown said:
Linkzmax said:
A Bad Clown said:

Just quoting as a request that if you come online, please don't hammer the no lynch yet.


Back, why not?

We're still rolling with discussion atm



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noname2200 said:
Linkzmax said:


Reasons: Using future events to explain past behavior, as pointed out at least three times. Although some of his suspicions do make sense, and he may be onto something; most of the them are very illogical and then dropped for the most bizarre of reasons.('X' is too active to be scum while 'Y' hasn't said enough to be scum) Simply put his scumhunting has been nonexistent.

What's changed between Day 1 and Day 2 that's making you change your mind?

theprof00 said:

No matter what stefl flips, I'm up for a no lynch because we will add an extra day.

if he flips town, it gives us next day, if he flips mafia, and we no lynch, we get two days.

Linkzmax said:

Technically it adds another night, as there's the same number of mislynches available. But you're right, either way no lynch is the best course of action because it gives the cop another night to investigate, and reduces the town as a whole so it's more likely to find scum.

There's still stuff to be discussed after the flip, but I might as well get the ball rolling.

Vote: No Lynch


Ah, we're playing Follow The Cop now.  Fun

Not to be rude, but the next time you people want to play this game, let me know ahead of time, so I don't waste time by signing up.   This is doubly true if we're going to have the equivalent of a mislynch (which is what a No Lynch is when there's an odd number of players) by waiting for a role that we might not even have!

Linkzmax said:

 

With Stefl being modkilled, what do you make of his pushing for ABC all of day one, though he never voted him?

Recall last game, where he actually voted for his teammate (SAK).

trashleg said:

ok. since we got one, does this mean its a good thing or a bad thing to go ahead and lynch ABC too?

I'm still all for it.  I still think he's scum, and I think waiting for a power role to do our thinking for us is about as boring a way to play as it gets.  But apparently I'm alone in this.

More to the point, why are you suddenly asking others when you've been deadset on ABC this whole game?

I've always considered ABC a lynch target, but I was willing to ignore him day one. As I said with my HoS today: "At "worst" it was an alien confession and at "best" it's become a huge distraction. I was still content to wait for an investigation before pressuring ABC, but I'm not sure if he can be ignored any longer."

I am reconsidering him after Stefl's flip and trash's "stubbornness." So it's something I'll look at during the night and have a decision for tomorrow. I realize Stefl voted for SAK last game, but what stands out to me is Stefl didn't vote for ABC this game. I'm wondering if he knew ABC was a townie and wanted the mislynch, but didn't want to be associated with it by way of vote.

Without a doc, chances are that at best the cop will be a one-for-one trade with an alien, though that might be a town win. I'm not suggesting follow the cop, but there's no reason not to take the extra investigation. Additionally, even if there weren't a cop, it still improves the odds of hitting scum with the lynches available.



noname2200 said:
Hephaestos said:


good cause i don't have a vote right now :p (want proff's answer to his investigation)

But you do have some time, right?  In that case, can you also go back through the thread and check when final-fan voiced suspicions about stefl?  He might have done so, but I can't remember him doing so off the top of my head.  In spite of that, he makes a post listing trash, prof, and stefl as the mafia.  The important part about that is that this was after stefl's modkill seemed imminent, but before stefl flipped.  If he's been on stefl since before that, it's no biggie, but if not, it's certainly convenient timing.

I know this was already discussed, but to answer the part about if FF had been on Stefl earlier, he mentioned suspicions of Stefl day one, for lurking: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3917069



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Hephaestos said:

before I go to sleep.....

consider this. The night lasted a long time... Stelf was lurking, yes, but he is also Eurozone. There are 2 factors for long nights. 1) lurking... though the other mafia will make the choice instead. 2) timezones.

Now taking stelf out of the equation for lurking, we should be looking for 2 players that have so far had little interaction... because they were not on at the same time.

 

That's my final contribution for today, feel free to comment on it :-p

Comment I shall. You make the assumption(or is it a confession?) that it was the aliens fault for the long night. I'm also very much not comfortable with your timezone idea, because it feels like an attempt to hide yourself and a scumbuddy from the same timezone. It's too minor for any points of suspicion, but I don't believe the idea holds merit.



theprof00 said:

I'm true to my word

vote: no lynch

Also linkz, it DOES add another day.

It's 8 now, after night it will be 7, tomorrow...(mislynch? 6) afternight 5, given 2 mafia, town get's to end the game. If we lynch today, (mislynch rather) the game ends at bolded.

Yes, you're correct; however, I meant it more as Heph explains it. Either way, if there's 2 aliens left,(though if it's only 1 then the round is extended a full day) then there can only be one mislynch as the second mislynch will mean town loses.(With the mislynch itself or with the following night kill) A no lynch today means that an extra body from a night kill will definitely turn up as information, in addition to an extra investigation assuming the cop doesn't get killed/lynched.

theprof00 said:
trashleg said:
theprof00 said:

After trash, and heph, linkz is next. 


is that a threat? well if i die tonight then i'm pretty sure you're mafia.

i still don't see how anything i've said is alien. at all.

 

Heph i once thought you were "buddying", im not so sure you're all that suspicious anymore.

Final-Fan, i think you may just be a very involved townie.

linkzmax and noname2200 i believe are both townies.


actually, if you were to die and flip townie, I would most likely get lynched.

Therefore, it would be the most unwise thing for me to point the finger at you if I were mafia.

I notice the tongue out, but how serious was the list? If you're joking then disregard the following:
If you're really suspicious of me then unless you're absolutely certain(something as you correctly pointed out earlier I'd be very suspicious of) that one of trash or Heph is scum, then you could be pushing for two mislynches(and thus town loses if there are 2 aliens left) before getting to me.(which would then guarantee the loss) Somehow this feels like buddying up to me, and I can't understand why you'd do that to a freshly-claimed miller.

Also, WIFOM is noted.



Linkzmax said:
Final-Fan said:

Does anyone have discussion they still want to get to today? 

Yes, please don't hammer yet. There were still things I had to answer from yesterday(realtime) and things I wanted to point out, but got tied up with the Stefl recap. There's probably more posts I'd like to respond to since the last time I was online as well.  I'll try to keep it brief and quick since it seems there's anxiousness to get night started.

Don't rush yourself.  I do think the day is dragging on BUTBUTBUT that is actually not true if there is still good discussion going on.  I'm just personally impatient for some reason.  Carry on.  I will restrain myself as long as necessary. 



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Linkzmax said: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3930178
trashleg said:

Also, It's very strange that you list me in Town and then noname in parenthesis, but then list us both again under Unknown. Did you just slip-up, because I can't see any way that you'd have us both under Town. Even if you were the cop and scanned me that wouldn't explain noname, or vice-versa. Why don't you have radish listed under any category either?

Requoted for attention. Obviously I knew trashleg couldn't have scanned me, though no comment whatsover on the possibility of her being the cop. It still seems odd to me that she put me in Town, and as in the quote nest above once again said she believes me to be a townie. As always, I can't self-analyze worth squat, but I don't think I've been playing differently which should make me "borderline" rather than a pro-town read. Going to need others' input on this, but it also feels like buddying up, which is just bizarre to me. Though trash, props for not jumping at the easy target.(me)



Linkzmax said:

I notice the tongue out, but how serious was the list? If you're joking then disregard the following:

If you're really suspicious of me then unless you're absolutely certain(something as you correctly pointed out earlier I'd be very suspicious of) that one of trash or Heph is scum, then you could be pushing for two mislynches(and thus town loses if there are 2 aliens left) before getting to me.(which would then guarantee the loss) Somehow this feels like buddying up to me, and I can't understand why you'd do that to a freshly-claimed miller.

Also, WIFOM is noted.

 


it actually was a joke because I anticipated town win after Heph. :P

And yes, WIFOM, but how can you make an accusation when it's foundation makes no sense? I'm just telling it like it is.

I would be lynched. Noname would push for it because he's against anyone playing in a way that he doesn't consider the "right" way, Heph would push, as after the flip he was seriously tunneling on me, FF would probably throw in a "sure, why not"-vote since he always suspects me and also doesn't like gambits.

I think I'd have Radish, ABC defending me, and you'd probably go whatever way you thought made sense.

But yeah, if trash flipped town, I could see at least three people ready to vote me, which is one away from majority.

 

EDIT: snipped quote boxes, 

Also, Yes, I understand what you mean by extra night. I was hoping you didn't notice the post, because after thinking about it, you're completely right :P