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dsister said:
Silver-Tiger said:

Any other ideas?

Try this guy: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/profile/82515/limelight788/


A wild Dsister appears!

 

(I was actually going to suggest you lol, thanks for finding someone who might join.)



19:44:34 Skeezer METAL GEAR ONLINE
19:44:36 Skeezer FAILURE
19:44:51 ABadClown You're right!
19:44:55 ABadClown Hur hur hur
19:45:01 Skeezer i meant
19:45:04 Skeezer YOU ARE A FAILKURE
19:45:08 Skeezer FAILURE*
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radishhead said:

Linkzmax said:
 

*Many Posts*

I've read all of the posts that you aimed at me, and I've taken them into consideration. The main point that I want to mention is that at the time, I couldn't see any way that Wonk was town after making so many comments about my playstyle. In all of my quotes that you analysed, I was treating him as if he was Mafia - and I admit that it made me respect the points that he was making less. I don't think that there is anyone here that feels worse about Wonk's death than me, because - although I didn't vote - I convinced myself that he was bad. The comment that I made about ABC after Wonk's death didn't reflect my true feelings about the situation.

I'm going to have to reread what linkz had to say about this. This is completely the opposite of what you were saying earlier;

"I was finding it hard to defend myself against wonk's accusations"

And, you defended him!

 

Also, I think it was noname who brought it up earlier, and he's right.

You've done almost nothing this entire game.



radishhead said:
noname2200 said:
radishhead said:

Off topic, but this site is definitely the best for Mafia that I've been on, in that it's actually a challenge. Would you believe that I'm actually considered good on the other sites? :p

Not to be mean or rude, but which sites are these?  Part of the reason why I didn't help to lynch you your first game here was that people at the nintendo site you play at don't seem particularly impressed with you.

Hm, I hate to admit it - but I don't think that it's worth hiding any longer. I'm actually disliked by a lot of the members on that Nintendo forum, for a few reasons; including excessive topic creating, creating a "hate list", starting a forum riot, and being a Nintendo fanboy. I've played a few games on that site, but I've never made it past night 1 (and considering that the games start on night 1.. yeah :S). When I joined VGC, it was the first time that I'd actually been able to post in a Mafia game. I realised, however, that Mafia was all about mind games, and you guys would be more intimidated if I were to claim that I'd played in Mafia games before (which isn't a lie, but it's hardly the case that  I "played" them"). Sorry guys :(

Also, I'm wondering why you've hid this for so long. It's not like it makes a difference. Why did you decide to tell us this now instead of in the first game?



Hephaestos said:

 

1) yes i did recognize this in my answer (it's not the first game we have trouble communicating... Basically i feel i did say that in my answer), this is also why i removed the vote. The presure was not to have you answer but to force a reaction ( i literally used "react"), that didn't happen, which means the attempt doesn't have a result to conclude (what i was looking for was overreaction, dismissal...).

 

2) the logic is that the way you did it opened a thousand possible excuses for them to use on their vote " but i trust noname is a townie" , " but the others voted too so i moved with the town", " day was indeed draging and he was scummy" all of these insufficient in other circumstances.

I never said you forced anyone, more that you gave them a guilt free pass. They are still the ones ultimately responsible for voting.

 

3) i'm not wondering why you suspect abc, i'm just askining how come your discution concluded in abc being depicted as a town role by prof with you not arguing it, thus indirectly agreeing, and then still find him as your top suspect at the end of the day. Again i'm not talking of power role... Though it seems as though your fixated on that aspect.

The last point seems to have the only part that still requires a response (let me know if you feel otherwise).  I can see why you'd think that, but no, silence from me does not automatically equate to agreement.  In this particular case, I foresaw a pointless argument coming up, so I chose to avoid it.  ABC was the person I wanted to hear from, not prof, and debating with the latter was unlikely to get me much, especially after linkz weighed in on prof's side. 

Now that I've dispense with your questions, can you please answer the one I asked and that you haven't addressed yet?  For easy reference, it's how you can claim that I've primarily been making "late summaries and conclusions of the events."  On a related note, how much energy are you giving us this game?

Additional question created by your latest post, point 1, supra: you say there wasn't a "result to conclude."  What does that mean?  What were you expecting from me?  What would you have deemed an "overreaction," or a "dismissal"?



noname2200 said:

Now that I've dispense with your questions, can you please answer the one I asked and that you haven't addressed yet?  For easy reference, it's how you can claim that I've primarily been making "late summaries and conclusions of the events."  On a related note, how much energy are you giving us this game?

Additional question created by your latest post, point 1, supra: you say there wasn't a "result to conclude."  What does that mean?  What were you expecting from me?  What would you have deemed an "overreaction," or a "dismissal"?


Follow-up:  why would talking to me today be "more informative than talking to proff"?



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theprof00 said:
This is my original question: (1)
theprof00 said:
I want to know every person who didn't notice that clue, and I want it answered honestly. If you lie to me, it will be harder to figure this out.
Linkz said: "I already answered the question in an earlier post. Yes, I did notice "scalpel" in the flavor. Though you never asked this question; no, I didn't read Wonk's post during the night."
     After conversing with Linkz, he then admitted that though he saw the scalpel and thinking it might've been a clue, he wasn't entirely sure that Wonk was the doctor.
     Radish additionally was saying he noticed the scalpel, but didn't notice that it was a clue.
     Those are not the answers I want. I want to know if you took it as a clue to wonk being the doc.
    

So, the question evolved:
  "ok, I would just like a recap of people who noticed and did not notice the "scalpel" in the lynch flavor at the beginning of night one.
     "Everyone please answer this rephrased question: "Did you know wonk was the doc during night 1". "
     At this point, people were saying they noticed the scalpel, but didn't think it was a clue, so I clarified:
"I'm talking about IF you specifically noticed it, or if you just thought it was just flavor."
     THEN, I specifically asked you
:  "FF, let me ask you something.  You make it seem like you believed the roleclaim, but you say that you didn't notice the flavor hint? Is that right? [...]"
     and again:  "Also, FF can you answer clearly for my list?  Did you notice the scalpel and did it make you think he was the doc? Answer as clearly as possible."

your response was:  "Well, I THOUGHT I'd noticed -- I read the flavor and did not overlook the fact that Wonk had a scalpel -- but maybe not, based on your new conditions:  I didn't really think about the night post in terms of clues, because it didn't matter to me."

Here you wrote, "new conditions" as if I've been moving goal posts around. You also say you saw the word, but didn't think it had anything to do with wonk being the doc. (2)

Meanwhile; Linkzmax wrote this: (with your response below)
     "Okay, I admit now that it's more likely that you're on to something that may have actually occured.
    
"Shame on Truck though for the slip-up or at the very least, for influencing opinions. The help is nice, but it's supposed to be up to us to figure these things out on our own."
     (FF) "
I strenuously disagree.  Your position is essentially that a mod can't even say he's pleased people enjoy the flavor, for fear that someone will make a conspiracy theory out of it.
     "
Or are you saying simply that he should have kept silent about prof's conspiracy theory he built around TOS's original comment?  I wouldn't object to that, although I can't really assign any significance to it."

I replied:  "At the very least, he has influenced decisions in the game.
     "That is the significance.
     "It's one thing to comment about the game, it's another to comment on a clue."
     By the end of the discussion, you say "I do not believe his post supports the interpretation that the mafia did not read or comment on the flavor."

So, at this point we have two discussion going on. One about the validity of the truck comment, and another about the question. Here you answer the "question" discussion.
     "First off, "notice".  I read the flavor, I noticed the flavor, I just didn't notice it in the sense that I was looking for clues and noticed that it was a clue This is because I was not looking for clues yet.  YOU attributed context that I did not share.  I didn't "gloss over" anything."

Then you replied to the truck comment with:
  "As for your conspiracy theory, my interpretation is correct and yours was not.  As for "TOS basically said you were wrong", that would depend on what you mean.  TOS indeed said that you read into his comments excessively, but (rightly) DID NOT comment on the factual question of whether your conclusion (mafia didn't notice/discuss Scalpelgate) was right regardless of your reasoning being wrong."

Now, to answer you on the first "question" discussion, you are indeed maneuvering around the simple question I asked you.(3) As for the second discussion, we are going to have to agree to disagree.(4)

If I am right, and he did haphazardly comment, then none of the mafia should have noticed the scalpel or talked about it.
     If I am wrong, well, either option is still possible.
    
However, given that scum would be MAKING themselves more suspicious by saying they did not see it as a clue, it is very possible that they honestly did not know. (5)

So, to conclude, I believe that mafia did, in fact, not know and never commented on it, and truck slipped accidentally. I also believe that you are going out of your way to undermine this idea both within and without the context, by questioning both the meaning of the original question (6), and the validity of the idea. (7)

Sure you're just arguing that trucks comment can't be used as evidence, but it is very much indirectly attacking the idea that mafia do not know. (8)

Firstly, before I answer this post itself, I would like to point out that your formatting is a horrible clusterfuck that could have been designed to inhibit readability.  (I don't think it most likely was, but that's how bad it is IMO.)

1.  Yes, apparently that was your original question.  Since it does assume that we also recognized it as a clue, I would have to say "no".  I would like to point out that I was not focused on this question at this time.  By the time I did, it was page 26 (@50) and you were asking a different question (did not specify that the answerer saw it as a clue).

2.  Well, they WERE new conditions compared to the question being asked as of the top of Page 26.  I didn't realize I had to go back to page 23 to find out what your REAL question was.  And frankly, when you ask a question ten different ways are you really surprised when you get an answer to the wrong version of the question? Or even if people get confused entirely? 

3.  Aside from the fact that I deny this allegation, you are ignoring the plain fact that I have given you MORE THAN ENOUGH information for you regarding whatever question you care to ask on the topic of the scalpel.  Surely the point of your question was to gather the information?  Or do you have some hidden agenda? 

4.  Word of God is that you are wrong and you should drop it.  No? 

5.  What?

6.  This is false, because ultimately the information you gather should be the same.  It's just that you get different answers depending on the question that people think you're asking; but the RESULT would be the same once people finally understand what you're looking for. 

7.  Not completely sure which idea you refer to, but if it's the basic one of TOS's post being a clue to the minds of the mafia, I think Point 4 covers it. 

8.  But ... but!  Isn't that the only evidence whatsoever to support that idea?  If you want to speculate they didn't realize, and proceed on that assumption, then I would say that is a poor way to scumhunt -- but go ahead, I won't stop you. 

P.S.  For the record, I didn't "believe" Wonk's claim per se, but I gave it enough credit that I thought it was an unacceptable risk, especially when we had someone like ABC to fall back on. 



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For someone who criticized me for monopolizing the thread, it sure seems like you have nothing else to talk about except your own speculation of how I'm scummy.

FF:"that font is scummy, your idea is scummy, your noticing is scummy, the way your question was worded is scummy, your attempt to scumhunt is scummy, your sig is scummy, etc etc"

Have you even mentioned another player today?



Let me ask you a simple question ff, because this argument is beyond ridiculous now.

There are currently 6 people who did not KNOW that the flavor was a clue to wonk's role. Of these six, let's say three are mafia (this is in your odds for the sake of argument). So, given the odds, what is the probability that at least 1 mafia actually saw it?



theprof00 said:

Let me ask you a simple question ff, because this argument is beyond ridiculous now.

There are currently 6 people who did not KNOW that the flavor was a clue to wonk's role. Of these six, let's say three are mafia (this is in your odds for the sake of argument). So, given the odds, what is the probability that at least 1 mafia actually saw it?

Approximately zero, bitch. 



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