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whatever on 08 February 2011
Baalzamon said:
Darc Requiem said:
Cypher1980 said:
Darc Requiem said:

Why do I get the feeling that this will only embolden hackers to focus on Sony platforms even more?


Precisely.

Posturing like this will only give hackers a form of justification for their actions.

Why oh why do SONY behave like such monumental dicks all the time.

May as well just paint a frickin target on their chests.


I'm not sure. They are wasting money poking the beehive with a stick. They'd be better served to use the funds to make their future platforms more secure. Hackers aren't a rival corporation, they are individuals spread across the globe. If Sony's lucky they may snag a half dozen or so, get no money from them because they don't have it, and piss off the thousands of hackers they didn't catch.

Yea, but its not about catching them all, as that is never feasible.  The same deal could be said about banks for example.  Somebody robs a bank, and the bank wants their damn money back.  Because they will never catch all of the people who robbed their bank, they are being told to instead to just spend their money on improving the security of the bank.  Somebody will still manage to be able to rob the bank somehow, and steal their money.  But once again, they will just be pushed to improve their security again.  So rather than going out and fixing at least some of the issues with the property being stolen from them, they should just keep trying to improve a future console, so it will be more secure?  (Even though somebody will likely figure out how to hack that as well).

Just because the legal system isn't able to punish every single person who breaks laws is no reason why we shouldn't go after at least some of the people that we managed to catch breaking the law.

This is assuming that what they have done is against the law.  In this case, it is not.  Or at least it isn't unless you bend everything until you completely rewrite ownership laws.



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deskpro2k3 on 08 February 2011
whatever said:
deskpro2k3 said:
whatever said:
Ssliasil said:

This topic makes it blatantly clear which poster's are hackers and which are not lol.

Hell yes, go Sony!  Already kicked Geo-Hotz ass, keep it up.

What people dont realize, this is all for far more than just the playstation 3 - this help'sall companies, in both gaming and pratical electronic fields.

This topic makes it blatantly clear which poster's don't understand the concept of ownership and fair use.  I should be able to do whatever I want with the things I own as long as I'm not breaking any laws.  Just the act of "jailbreaking" anything should NEVER be illegal.  Pirating games should be illegal and punishable.  Opening up a console for other uses, even if it enables piracy, should not.  I don't understand how, as a consumer, you can be OK with this.

Do you really want a corporation telling you what you can and can't do with your own stuff?  Because that is where this is leading if this is allowed to stand.  You want to tinker with your car or some electronic device?  You could end up in the same place as Geohot.

And no, I've never hacked any gaming device or pirated any games.

Go Sony, take away our rights as consumers!


OK I'll give you an example. Lets say I picked up the keys to your house. I went ahead and made copies of that key and give them out to people. Since I'm able to do whatever I want with it, it is not breaking the law. Right?

 

Absolutely not.  You don't own my house, so you don't have the right to give away keys to it.  Try again.

Exectly, that is my point. And you're against Sony for what they're doing?  You're confusing..



Baalzamon on 08 February 2011
Galaki said:
Baalzamon said:

That's still beside the point.  If somebody gets murdered, the damage has already been done, but does that mean that the person should just be let go rather than let the criminal system try the criminalistic criminal in the criminal courts?


Are you seriously comparing jailbreak to robbing a bank and murdering people?

The comparisons were not made in regards to severity of the crime, but the overall just of what is occurring.  They are no different in the broad view of things.  The comment I replied to stated that the damage is already done, implying that since its already done, Sony should just move on.  In a majority of crimes (I used murder in this instance), the damage will already be done when the person is caught.  So using the same philosophy, if somebody is murdered, since the damage is already done, rather than seeking justice and sending the person to jail, we should just improve our society so it is less likely to happen in the future.

And for robbing a bank, its the same general idea, yes.  Something gets stolen, should you just ignore the fact that you just had a shit ton of your property stolen from you and instead just improve your security in an attempt to prevent future theft, or should you go after the people that are stealing from you...I think the answer is rather obvious.

Neither of these is saying that stealing Sony's software is worse, or even close to as bad as killing somebody or robbing a bank, but just because the damage is already done does not mean justice should not be seeked, and just because they won't catch every single person who steals their property does not mean they should not seek justice against the people they can actually catch.



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Baalzamon on 08 February 2011
whatever said:
deskpro2k3 said:
whatever said:
Ssliasil said:

This topic makes it blatantly clear which poster's are hackers and which are not lol.

Hell yes, go Sony!  Already kicked Geo-Hotz ass, keep it up.

What people dont realize, this is all for far more than just the playstation 3 - this help'sall companies, in both gaming and pratical electronic fields.

This topic makes it blatantly clear which poster's don't understand the concept of ownership and fair use.  I should be able to do whatever I want with the things I own as long as I'm not breaking any laws.  Just the act of "jailbreaking" anything should NEVER be illegal.  Pirating games should be illegal and punishable.  Opening up a console for other uses, even if it enables piracy, should not.  I don't understand how, as a consumer, you can be OK with this.

Do you really want a corporation telling you what you can and can't do with your own stuff?  Because that is where this is leading if this is allowed to stand.  You want to tinker with your car or some electronic device?  You could end up in the same place as Geohot.

And no, I've never hacked any gaming device or pirated any games.

Go Sony, take away our rights as consumers!


OK I'll give you an example. Lets say I picked up the keys to your house. I went ahead and made copies of that key and give them out to people. Since I'm able to do whatever I want with it, it is not breaking the law. Right?

 

Absolutely not.  You don't own my house, so you don't have the right to give away keys to it.  Try again.

Ohhhhhh, I get it, so since he doesn't own your house, he doesn't have the right to give away keys to it, but since us owners of Sony products don't own the software, we can do whatever the hell we want to do with it.  It all makes sense now.



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LivingMetal on 08 February 2011

Bottom line: If hackers didn't abuse the act of hacking we wouldn't be in this mess to begin with.



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Darc Requiem on 08 February 2011
LivingMetal said:

Bottom line: If hackers didn't abuse the act of hacking we wouldn't be in this mess to begin with.

If Sony did remove Other OS from the PS3, they wouldn't be in the mess to begin with.



LivingMetal on 08 February 2011
Darc Requiem said:
LivingMetal said:

Bottom line: If hackers didn't abuse the act of hacking we wouldn't be in this mess to begin with.

If Sony did remove Other OS from the PS3, they wouldn't be in the mess to begin with.


HA!



daroamer on 08 February 2011

LOL at the people defending Sony in this.

This course of action they are taking is going to do nothing positive for them.  Absolutely nothing.  It will most likely have an overall negative effect for them as a company.

Anyone remember Metallica trying to take on Napster?



LivingMetal on 08 February 2011
daroamer said:

LOL at the people defending Sony in this.

This course of action they are taking is going to do nothing positive for them.  Absolutely nothing.  It will most likely have an overall negative effect for them as a company.

Anyone remember Metallica trying to take on Napster?


LOL at the anti-gamers finding excuses to bash Sony.  And Napster went from illegit to "what's napster?"  So, bad example.



daroamer on 08 February 2011
LivingMetal said:
daroamer said:

LOL at the people defending Sony in this.

This course of action they are taking is going to do nothing positive for them.  Absolutely nothing.  It will most likely have an overall negative effect for them as a company.

Anyone remember Metallica trying to take on Napster?


LOL at the anti-gamers finding excuses to bash Sony.  And Napster went from illegit to "what's napster?"  So, bad example.

As will Geohot.  However, Sony is Metallica (or more accurately RIAA) in this case.  This will be a publicity disaster for them.

I am certainly not anti-gamer I don't get how concluded that.  I'm also not pro-corporation.  Consumers have rights.  I suppose you supported Sony installing rootkits on your computer?  I mean, they were just protecting their products, right?

Sony has every right to try to protect their products, but trying to subpoena Google to get the IP addresses of every person who commented on Youtube videos?  Give me a freaking break!