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Kasz216 on 03 February 2011
Mad55 said:
Aiddon said:
A203D said:
Aiddon said:

I get the feeling that FFXIV's failure is just going to continue to hemorrhage their money. Deus Ex isn't going to save them and I seriously think FFXIII-2 is going to underperform (as well as The 3rd Birthday). Their lack of talent or quality is no longer a secret and probably the only other title they have coming up that I think will perform well at least critically is Tactics Ogre. Other than that I see NOTHING doing well.

I dont think Deus Ex will save them either, but their doing the right thing which is investing in their western assests. the Tomb Raider reboot looks promising, Deus Ex i think will turn out to be a popular game - like a modern day film noir version of Bioshock. and theres still the western developed Fortress project that could turn out well. and i think they will release a HD collection for FF and Tomb Raider, which might help them a bit in the short run.

so i think the western studios will do well, its the Japanese studios that are causing problems. simply because of the allocation of resources (5 years for 1 game) and for some reason the very poor IPs (Infinite Undiscovery, etc).  imo Tactics Ogre is swimming against the tides sadly, because its on PSP, with the PSP2 already announced and its a hardcore game i think.


I can't see Fortress making back its budget due to its, at best, messy dev cycle (and that's if it ever gets released). And the thing is 90% of the problems are on the SQUARE side of things, not Enix. Say what you will about Dragon Quest and tri-Ace, they've never really changed their attitude of how they do things. Even the Western side of things isn't immune to garbage, look at Kane and Lynch. Deus Ex and TO are the only things I find interesting. Right now FFXIV is STILL bleeding cash and none of Square's other projects look good. At all.

the company is one now its square enix if its squares fault then its enixes fault.

Actually... not really.

After the merger they basically kept the square half operating like Square, and the Enix half operating like Enix.

It was the things had to be because Enix was the more successful and valuable of the two despite Square being the bigger name.

That's why Dragon Quest ended up on the Wii.  Enix's strategy was always "Develop for the winning consoles." and outside that, just let the creators create and pick up the checks and later collect the profits.  Perferably outside creators who we can sign to long deals if they are good, and just drop when they are bad.



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Mad55 on 03 February 2011
Kasz216 said:
Mad55 said:
Aiddon said:
A203D said:
Aiddon said:

I get the feeling that FFXIV's failure is just going to continue to hemorrhage their money. Deus Ex isn't going to save them and I seriously think FFXIII-2 is going to underperform (as well as The 3rd Birthday). Their lack of talent or quality is no longer a secret and probably the only other title they have coming up that I think will perform well at least critically is Tactics Ogre. Other than that I see NOTHING doing well.

I dont think Deus Ex will save them either, but their doing the right thing which is investing in their western assests. the Tomb Raider reboot looks promising, Deus Ex i think will turn out to be a popular game - like a modern day film noir version of Bioshock. and theres still the western developed Fortress project that could turn out well. and i think they will release a HD collection for FF and Tomb Raider, which might help them a bit in the short run.

so i think the western studios will do well, its the Japanese studios that are causing problems. simply because of the allocation of resources (5 years for 1 game) and for some reason the very poor IPs (Infinite Undiscovery, etc).  imo Tactics Ogre is swimming against the tides sadly, because its on PSP, with the PSP2 already announced and its a hardcore game i think.


I can't see Fortress making back its budget due to its, at best, messy dev cycle (and that's if it ever gets released). And the thing is 90% of the problems are on the SQUARE side of things, not Enix. Say what you will about Dragon Quest and tri-Ace, they've never really changed their attitude of how they do things. Even the Western side of things isn't immune to garbage, look at Kane and Lynch. Deus Ex and TO are the only things I find interesting. Right now FFXIV is STILL bleeding cash and none of Square's other projects look good. At all.

the company is one now its square enix if its squares fault then its enixes fault.

Actually... not really.

After the merger they basically kept the square half operating like Square, and the Enix half operating like Enix.

It was the things had to be because Enix was the more successful and valuable of the two despite Square being the bigger name.

That's why Dragon Quest ended up on the Wii.  Enix's strategy was always "Develop for the winning consoles."

regardless their still one company and saying its square fault that this happened like enix does no wrong aint right they merged regarless of how they operate afterwards to me. they both lose and gain money togethor. but hey i dont know alot about what goes on on the inside im just seeing these numbers and it represents their company as a whole.



Kasz216 on 03 February 2011
Mad55 said:
Kasz216 said:
Mad55 said:
Aiddon said:
A203D said:
Aiddon said:

I get the feeling that FFXIV's failure is just going to continue to hemorrhage their money. Deus Ex isn't going to save them and I seriously think FFXIII-2 is going to underperform (as well as The 3rd Birthday). Their lack of talent or quality is no longer a secret and probably the only other title they have coming up that I think will perform well at least critically is Tactics Ogre. Other than that I see NOTHING doing well.

I dont think Deus Ex will save them either, but their doing the right thing which is investing in their western assests. the Tomb Raider reboot looks promising, Deus Ex i think will turn out to be a popular game - like a modern day film noir version of Bioshock. and theres still the western developed Fortress project that could turn out well. and i think they will release a HD collection for FF and Tomb Raider, which might help them a bit in the short run.

so i think the western studios will do well, its the Japanese studios that are causing problems. simply because of the allocation of resources (5 years for 1 game) and for some reason the very poor IPs (Infinite Undiscovery, etc).  imo Tactics Ogre is swimming against the tides sadly, because its on PSP, with the PSP2 already announced and its a hardcore game i think.


I can't see Fortress making back its budget due to its, at best, messy dev cycle (and that's if it ever gets released). And the thing is 90% of the problems are on the SQUARE side of things, not Enix. Say what you will about Dragon Quest and tri-Ace, they've never really changed their attitude of how they do things. Even the Western side of things isn't immune to garbage, look at Kane and Lynch. Deus Ex and TO are the only things I find interesting. Right now FFXIV is STILL bleeding cash and none of Square's other projects look good. At all.

the company is one now its square enix if its squares fault then its enixes fault.

Actually... not really.

After the merger they basically kept the square half operating like Square, and the Enix half operating like Enix.

It was the things had to be because Enix was the more successful and valuable of the two despite Square being the bigger name.

That's why Dragon Quest ended up on the Wii.  Enix's strategy was always "Develop for the winning consoles."

regardless their still one company and saying its square fault that this happened like enix does no wrong aint right they merged regarless of how they operate afterwards to me. they both lose and gain money togethor. but hey i dont know alot about what goes on on the inside im just seeing these numbers and it represents their company as a whole.


So... if in a partenrship buisness, one guy fucks up and spends all the companies money on gambling, while the other guy is successfully bringing in all the money... it's your opinion that it's both their fault?

That's a strange definition of fault.  Enix really does have a much better buisness structure.  Square would do better to follow it then what they've been doing.



Mad55 on 03 February 2011
Kasz216 said:
Mad55 said:
Kasz216 said:
Mad55 said:
Aiddon said:
A203D said:
Aiddon said:

I get the feeling that FFXIV's failure is just going to continue to hemorrhage their money. Deus Ex isn't going to save them and I seriously think FFXIII-2 is going to underperform (as well as The 3rd Birthday). Their lack of talent or quality is no longer a secret and probably the only other title they have coming up that I think will perform well at least critically is Tactics Ogre. Other than that I see NOTHING doing well.

I dont think Deus Ex will save them either, but their doing the right thing which is investing in their western assests. the Tomb Raider reboot looks promising, Deus Ex i think will turn out to be a popular game - like a modern day film noir version of Bioshock. and theres still the western developed Fortress project that could turn out well. and i think they will release a HD collection for FF and Tomb Raider, which might help them a bit in the short run.

so i think the western studios will do well, its the Japanese studios that are causing problems. simply because of the allocation of resources (5 years for 1 game) and for some reason the very poor IPs (Infinite Undiscovery, etc).  imo Tactics Ogre is swimming against the tides sadly, because its on PSP, with the PSP2 already announced and its a hardcore game i think.


I can't see Fortress making back its budget due to its, at best, messy dev cycle (and that's if it ever gets released). And the thing is 90% of the problems are on the SQUARE side of things, not Enix. Say what you will about Dragon Quest and tri-Ace, they've never really changed their attitude of how they do things. Even the Western side of things isn't immune to garbage, look at Kane and Lynch. Deus Ex and TO are the only things I find interesting. Right now FFXIV is STILL bleeding cash and none of Square's other projects look good. At all.

the company is one now its square enix if its squares fault then its enixes fault.

Actually... not really.

After the merger they basically kept the square half operating like Square, and the Enix half operating like Enix.

It was the things had to be because Enix was the more successful and valuable of the two despite Square being the bigger name.

That's why Dragon Quest ended up on the Wii.  Enix's strategy was always "Develop for the winning consoles."

regardless their still one company and saying its square fault that this happened like enix does no wrong aint right they merged regarless of how they operate afterwards to me. they both lose and gain money togethor. but hey i dont know alot about what goes on on the inside im just seeing these numbers and it represents their company as a whole.


So... if in a partenrship buisness, one guy fucks up and spends all the companies money on gambling, while the other guy is successfully bringing in all the money... it's your opinion that it's both their fault?

That's a strange definition of fault.  Enix really does have a much better buisness structure.  Square would do better to follow it then what they've been doing.

whats so much better about enixs structure then. The only thing ive seen th ecompany really mess up on is ff 14. Also what im saying is is that what they do represents both of them if you merge with something you become one and all thats done afterwards is represented as one (square enix).



Kasz216 on 04 February 2011
Mad55 said:
Kasz216 said:
Mad55 said:
Kasz216 said:
Mad55 said:
Aiddon said:
A203D said:
Aiddon said:

I get the feeling that FFXIV's failure is just going to continue to hemorrhage their money. Deus Ex isn't going to save them and I seriously think FFXIII-2 is going to underperform (as well as The 3rd Birthday). Their lack of talent or quality is no longer a secret and probably the only other title they have coming up that I think will perform well at least critically is Tactics Ogre. Other than that I see NOTHING doing well.

I dont think Deus Ex will save them either, but their doing the right thing which is investing in their western assests. the Tomb Raider reboot looks promising, Deus Ex i think will turn out to be a popular game - like a modern day film noir version of Bioshock. and theres still the western developed Fortress project that could turn out well. and i think they will release a HD collection for FF and Tomb Raider, which might help them a bit in the short run.

so i think the western studios will do well, its the Japanese studios that are causing problems. simply because of the allocation of resources (5 years for 1 game) and for some reason the very poor IPs (Infinite Undiscovery, etc).  imo Tactics Ogre is swimming against the tides sadly, because its on PSP, with the PSP2 already announced and its a hardcore game i think.


I can't see Fortress making back its budget due to its, at best, messy dev cycle (and that's if it ever gets released). And the thing is 90% of the problems are on the SQUARE side of things, not Enix. Say what you will about Dragon Quest and tri-Ace, they've never really changed their attitude of how they do things. Even the Western side of things isn't immune to garbage, look at Kane and Lynch. Deus Ex and TO are the only things I find interesting. Right now FFXIV is STILL bleeding cash and none of Square's other projects look good. At all.

the company is one now its square enix if its squares fault then its enixes fault.

Actually... not really.

After the merger they basically kept the square half operating like Square, and the Enix half operating like Enix.

It was the things had to be because Enix was the more successful and valuable of the two despite Square being the bigger name.

That's why Dragon Quest ended up on the Wii.  Enix's strategy was always "Develop for the winning consoles."

regardless their still one company and saying its square fault that this happened like enix does no wrong aint right they merged regarless of how they operate afterwards to me. they both lose and gain money togethor. but hey i dont know alot about what goes on on the inside im just seeing these numbers and it represents their company as a whole.


So... if in a partenrship buisness, one guy fucks up and spends all the companies money on gambling, while the other guy is successfully bringing in all the money... it's your opinion that it's both their fault?

That's a strange definition of fault.  Enix really does have a much better buisness structure.  Square would do better to follow it then what they've been doing.

whats so much better about enixs structure then. The only thing ive seen th ecompany really mess up on is ff 14. Also what im saying is is that what they do represents both of them if you merge with something you become one and all thats done afterwards is represented as one (square enix).

It's low risk, with a focus of value but allows more creative freedom.  They outsource most of their games to trusted affiliates that they know produce things well.

Versus Square side, where they do development in house with lots of mandates.



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Kasz216 on 04 February 2011
Mad55 said:
Kasz216 said:
Mad55 said:
Kasz216 said:
Mad55 said:
Aiddon said:
A203D said:
Aiddon said:

I get the feeling that FFXIV's failure is just going to continue to hemorrhage their money. Deus Ex isn't going to save them and I seriously think FFXIII-2 is going to underperform (as well as The 3rd Birthday). Their lack of talent or quality is no longer a secret and probably the only other title they have coming up that I think will perform well at least critically is Tactics Ogre. Other than that I see NOTHING doing well.

I dont think Deus Ex will save them either, but their doing the right thing which is investing in their western assests. the Tomb Raider reboot looks promising, Deus Ex i think will turn out to be a popular game - like a modern day film noir version of Bioshock. and theres still the western developed Fortress project that could turn out well. and i think they will release a HD collection for FF and Tomb Raider, which might help them a bit in the short run.

so i think the western studios will do well, its the Japanese studios that are causing problems. simply because of the allocation of resources (5 years for 1 game) and for some reason the very poor IPs (Infinite Undiscovery, etc).  imo Tactics Ogre is swimming against the tides sadly, because its on PSP, with the PSP2 already announced and its a hardcore game i think.


I can't see Fortress making back its budget due to its, at best, messy dev cycle (and that's if it ever gets released). And the thing is 90% of the problems are on the SQUARE side of things, not Enix. Say what you will about Dragon Quest and tri-Ace, they've never really changed their attitude of how they do things. Even the Western side of things isn't immune to garbage, look at Kane and Lynch. Deus Ex and TO are the only things I find interesting. Right now FFXIV is STILL bleeding cash and none of Square's other projects look good. At all.

the company is one now its square enix if its squares fault then its enixes fault.

Actually... not really.

After the merger they basically kept the square half operating like Square, and the Enix half operating like Enix.

It was the things had to be because Enix was the more successful and valuable of the two despite Square being the bigger name.

That's why Dragon Quest ended up on the Wii.  Enix's strategy was always "Develop for the winning consoles."

regardless their still one company and saying its square fault that this happened like enix does no wrong aint right they merged regarless of how they operate afterwards to me. they both lose and gain money togethor. but hey i dont know alot about what goes on on the inside im just seeing these numbers and it represents their company as a whole.


So... if in a partenrship buisness, one guy fucks up and spends all the companies money on gambling, while the other guy is successfully bringing in all the money... it's your opinion that it's both their fault?

That's a strange definition of fault.  Enix really does have a much better buisness structure.  Square would do better to follow it then what they've been doing.

whats so much better about enixs structure then. The only thing ive seen th ecompany really mess up on is ff 14. Also what im saying is is that what they do represents both of them if you merge with something you become one and all thats done afterwards is represented as one (square enix).

It's low risk, with a focus of value but allows more creative freedom.  They outsource most of their games to trusted affiliates that they know produce things well.

Versus Square side, where they do development in house with lots of mandates.



Mad55 on 04 February 2011
Kasz216 said:
Mad55 said:
Kasz216 said:
Mad55 said:
Kasz216 said:
Mad55 said:
Aiddon said:
A203D said:
Aiddon said:

I get the feeling that FFXIV's failure is just going to continue to hemorrhage their money. Deus Ex isn't going to save them and I seriously think FFXIII-2 is going to underperform (as well as The 3rd Birthday). Their lack of talent or quality is no longer a secret and probably the only other title they have coming up that I think will perform well at least critically is Tactics Ogre. Other than that I see NOTHING doing well.

I dont think Deus Ex will save them either, but their doing the right thing which is investing in their western assests. the Tomb Raider reboot looks promising, Deus Ex i think will turn out to be a popular game - like a modern day film noir version of Bioshock. and theres still the western developed Fortress project that could turn out well. and i think they will release a HD collection for FF and Tomb Raider, which might help them a bit in the short run.

so i think the western studios will do well, its the Japanese studios that are causing problems. simply because of the allocation of resources (5 years for 1 game) and for some reason the very poor IPs (Infinite Undiscovery, etc).  imo Tactics Ogre is swimming against the tides sadly, because its on PSP, with the PSP2 already announced and its a hardcore game i think.


I can't see Fortress making back its budget due to its, at best, messy dev cycle (and that's if it ever gets released). And the thing is 90% of the problems are on the SQUARE side of things, not Enix. Say what you will about Dragon Quest and tri-Ace, they've never really changed their attitude of how they do things. Even the Western side of things isn't immune to garbage, look at Kane and Lynch. Deus Ex and TO are the only things I find interesting. Right now FFXIV is STILL bleeding cash and none of Square's other projects look good. At all.

the company is one now its square enix if its squares fault then its enixes fault.

Actually... not really.

After the merger they basically kept the square half operating like Square, and the Enix half operating like Enix.

It was the things had to be because Enix was the more successful and valuable of the two despite Square being the bigger name.

That's why Dragon Quest ended up on the Wii.  Enix's strategy was always "Develop for the winning consoles."

regardless their still one company and saying its square fault that this happened like enix does no wrong aint right they merged regarless of how they operate afterwards to me. they both lose and gain money togethor. but hey i dont know alot about what goes on on the inside im just seeing these numbers and it represents their company as a whole.


So... if in a partenrship buisness, one guy fucks up and spends all the companies money on gambling, while the other guy is successfully bringing in all the money... it's your opinion that it's both their fault?

That's a strange definition of fault.  Enix really does have a much better buisness structure.  Square would do better to follow it then what they've been doing.

whats so much better about enixs structure then. The only thing ive seen th ecompany really mess up on is ff 14. Also what im saying is is that what they do represents both of them if you merge with something you become one and all thats done afterwards is represented as one (square enix).

It's low risk, with a focus of value but allows more creative freedom.  They outsource most of their games to trusted affiliates that they know produce things well.

Versus Square side, where they do development in house with lots of mandates.

okay but in terms of success i dont see how that helps all around considering alot of the games that they self publish are really succesful more than they outsource im sure.



Killiana1a on 04 February 2011

Seems to me that Square Enix should be focusing less on the Square side and more on the Enix sides.

ActRaiser, SoulBlazer, E.V.O., Terranigma, The 7th Saga, and Ogre Battle were classics for the SNES. They are all worthy of a reboot. My personal choice would be split between Act Raiser (the 1st with the overworld simulation, not the scroller hack and slash ActRaiser 2) and SoulBlazer.

Either let Final Fantasy rest to stir the pot of want or learn from Final Fantasy 12 and 13's mistakes and aim for greatness.

Too much FInal Fantasy, not enough Enix.



Turkish on 04 February 2011

Square Enix should stop making bad games, theyve bet on the wrong horse too this gen: the 360



MrT-Tar on 04 February 2011

S-E needs to get DQX out fast.  Or if they just want quick revenue, they could just port DQVIII to the Wii