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thranx on 21 January 2011
ils411 said:
thranx said:
geddesmond2 said:

Will we see everyone praise these hackers when there favorite online game is unplayable because of hackers?

Everyones looking at the one thing in this case. They think Hackers are fighting for our rights. Clueless to the fact that when people bought the consol they bought it for the experiance and games Sony said it would bring them. Not for homebrew and not for piracy.

You mean they didn't buy it for the advertised otherOS function that Sony advertised and pushed. Maybe they just want to follow through on the ad campaign, I mean ps3 only does everything (that sony wants you too, andd still lets you do unless they change their mind and take it away). Sony brought this on themselves by removing features they advertised. That is why the hackers are fighting for our rights, our right to use the hardware we buy. The psn hacking and trophie hacking was not done by the people sony is sueing, so whats the point?

Trophies will soon be ruined thanks to Hackers, Online games will soon be flooded with invincible people thanks to hackers and your favorite gaming franchises have half the chances of getting sequels now because of piracy and its all thanks to these hackers.

Perhaps sony should target the people hacking those things, instead of these guys that did none of that

Hackers fighting for our rights??? Get the fuck out of here, weres my right to play games fairly that I spent 60 bucks on???

Were is my right to intall otherOS? It only does everything. These hackers did not stop you from doing anything, it was other ones why not target them?

Anyone whos on the side of these hackers seriously doesn't have a clue on what damage could be caused with all this. They think they'll get to save a few bucks and pirate some games on the sly except this whole hack Sonys trying to stop does much more than allow pirated games, it ruins legitimate peoples experiance.

Anyone on the side of sony doesn't have a clue what they will do if we have no rights. They will not let you use what you pay for how you should be able to. They will continue to remove features after launched and advertised, they may start adding maliciouse code to their disks and possibly hardware. Why trust a company like sony with their track record on these matters?

1. other OS never advertised. and its not a damn PC, its a game console! what dumbass retard buys a game console just to install otherOS? fighting for our rights?! omg! stuuupiiid!!!! if they were fighting for our rights has the other os been enabled by them again? where is it? what? none? morron! no other os but piracy is a go now. obviously you are a pirate! hence your love for this crap. what do you get for hacked consoles? the ability to play some lame ass homebrew crap game? OMG!! you have a supper ultra powerfull game machine and all you wana do with it is run ugly crapy games? HAHAHA!!! hypocrite!!! face it, you want the ps3 hacked for piracy! asshole!

2. other OS was never a right, it was an extra feature sony threwin for added value that none of us asked forand was a privelage. dumbass!

3. so, sony will not let you used the ps3 to play PS3 games?!!! OMG you are such a retard! your stupidity is all over the place...sad sad world when stupid idiots like you get to post his stupidity on the net. people as stupid and moronic as you should be banned from the net. better yet, people like you should be banned from life, dragged to the streets and shot so as to ensure that mankind has less stupid people running around.



http://www.pcworld.com/article/192731/sony_zaps_playstation_3_install_other_os_feature.html

Sony giveth and Sony taketh away: When the company's newest PlayStation 3 firmware update drops on April 1, it'll remove a beloved feature once trumpeted as a system sale-maker. That's right Linux wonks, it's time to kiss the PS3's "Install Other OS" option goodbye.

Unlike Microsoft's Xbox 360 or Nintendo's Wii, the PS3 shipped with an option to run "other" operating systems, including popular Linux distributions from Debian, Fedora, OpenSUSE and Ubuntu. The "slim" model PS3 (CEH-2000) that appeared in September 2009 debuted without this feature, but Sony exempted older "fat" PS3s.

Until next Thursday, that is. When Sony's PS3 firmware update 3.21 debuts on April 1, it'll disable the "Install Other OS" feature on millions of older systems. While you don't have to install the update, opting out will bar access to the PlayStation Network, newer games and Blu-ray movies, copyright-protected videos streamed from a media server, and any other new features in firmware version 3.21 forward.

Sony's spin goes something like this: By removing the feature, the company says it "will help ensure that PS3 owners will continue to have access to the broad range of gaming and entertainment content from SCE and its content partners on a more secure system."

Translation: You get something you already have ("access to [a] broad range of gaming" etc.) in trade for nothing, while Sony gets to close what it now deems a hacker loophole. What's good for Sony is good for you, in other words.

Except when it's not (good for you, that is). Running Linux on the PS3 allows amateur developers to tinker with the PS3's Cell processor, Sony sanctioned, and cobble together home-baked utilities and games. It's also been used by researchers to build "discount supercomputers" to run scientific simulations that might otherwise "cost thousands of dollars." North Carolina State University professor Frank Mueller called it "$50,000 worth of computer power for a mere $5000."

The majority reaction on Sony's PlayStation blog won't surprise anyone.

"Wait...you are REMOVING a feature?" writes one user. "What's next? Removing BC from early PS3 adopters? Terrible update sony, teeeerrible," writes one user.

"This is an idiotic idea," says another. "I paid for this feature. When the console was $500 I paid for this feature. And Yes, I use this feature."

"Hey Sony, considering you are disabling half of my product (It was explicitly sold with labeling ON THE BOX that states it supports other OS installations) - Can I get half my money back?" asks a third, adding that the move is "like selling someone a table, and then breaking 2 of the legs off."

Access to the system via Linux isn't carte blanche. Sony locks out its powerful Nvidia-developed RSX graphics processor by using a hypervisor--a "virtual machine monitor" that runs the guest operating system in a secure virtualized memory space.

In January, a US hacker known for unlocking the Apple iPhone told the BBC he'd managed to crack the PS3, admitting his workaround would allow players to run pirated games as well as older PS2 software. It's not clear whether the January hack led to Sony's decision to scrap Linux support, but I'd say the timing's definitely suggestive.

In case you're wondering, Sony says this isn't an April Fool's joke. Contrast with betters like "PS3 Leap-Year-Glitch Fix Resets Space-Time Continuum," or "Nude Kratos Toggle in God of War III Update."

My condolences, PS3-Linux wonks. Niche user base or no, it's usually bad news when a company starts pulling features from its product portfolio.

"It only does everything"? Time to re-think that ad campaign, Sony.

 

I bolded the important parts. And the ironic one, boy did that backfire on them. So should we continue to let Sony(or eventually MS, Apple, etc) remove features that were advertised and than bought and paid for? That is all I wonder from you guys, I put forth my stance on it.



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thranx on 21 January 2011
ils411 said:
thranx said:
ils411 said:
jesus kung fu magic said:


buying none of Sony's gear


by this, i assume you'll just be pirating then...typical. the defenders of the hackers are obviously none other than the pirates themselves.

note to everyone, its painfully obvious that those deffending the actions of these ass hackers are most likely pirates as they can get free games. just look at the just released hen for the psp. once an iso loader was released its open season for downloading iso games..

I don't own a ps3 yet so these hacks/pirating do not affect me. I support the hackers (not the pirates) because if sony gets away with striping their hardware of features after you buy it other companies will do the same. I feel once I buy any form of equiptment/hardware I can do what I please with it as long as i dont use it to harm others or the enviroment. The pirating issues are not related to this lawsuit in anyway, in fact I don't think the word piracy is even present. Not even backing up files.


yes you can do anything with the hardware equipment, not the software morron!! my god! stuppiiiddd!!! yes, people like you really should be put to sleep...FOREVER!


What did he do to their software? What games did he pirate? What playstation network did he violate?



docholliday on 21 January 2011
huaxiong90 said:

@Thranx: While I totally agree Sony brought it on themselves (and even hope they lose so as to learn their lesson, and instead figure out a way to deal with this), you CANNOT say they're fighting for our rights when they published the hack on the net.

If they kept it to themselves, and maybe figured a way to bring back the advertised features without blowing the PS3's door wide open, then I can agree. But this is just wrong, because while it does bring back features Sony advertised...it also opens up game hacking and piracy, and THAT is not doing us any favors.


Well put, and also @ Thranx, the hackers and pirates are one in the same in this case, Cause and effect, the hackers opened the system to be pirated. And i'm sick of ppl saying other OS was an advertised feature, it wasnt. I've yet to see someone make this arguement and have anything to back it up with.



thranx on 21 January 2011
docholliday said:
huaxiong90 said:

@Thranx: While I totally agree Sony brought it on themselves (and even hope they lose so as to learn their lesson, and instead figure out a way to deal with this), you CANNOT say they're fighting for our rights when they published the hack on the net.

If they kept it to themselves, and maybe figured a way to bring back the advertised features without blowing the PS3's door wide open, then I can agree. But this is just wrong, because while it does bring back features Sony advertised...it also opens up game hacking and piracy, and THAT is not doing us any favors.


Well put, and also @ Thranx, the hackers and pirates are one in the same in this case, Cause and effect, the hackers opened the system to be pirated. And i'm sick of ppl saying other OS was an advertised feature, it wasnt. I've yet to see someone make this arguement and have anything to back it up with.

It was on the box



LivingMetal on 21 January 2011
docholliday said:
huaxiong90 said:

@Thranx: While I totally agree Sony brought it on themselves (and even hope they lose so as to learn their lesson, and instead figure out a way to deal with this), you CANNOT say they're fighting for our rights when they published the hack on the net.

If they kept it to themselves, and maybe figured a way to bring back the advertised features without blowing the PS3's door wide open, then I can agree. But this is just wrong, because while it does bring back features Sony advertised...it also opens up game hacking and piracy, and THAT is not doing us any favors.


Well put, and also @ Thranx, the hackers and pirates are one in the same in this case, Cause and effect, the hackers opened the system to be pirated. And i'm sick of ppl saying other OS was an advertised feature, it wasnt. I've yet to see someone make this arguement and have anything to back it up with.

 

It's good to see some people reading between the lines and using common sense, both of you.



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docholliday on 21 January 2011
thranx said:
docholliday said:
huaxiong90 said:

@Thranx: While I totally agree Sony brought it on themselves (and even hope they lose so as to learn their lesson, and instead figure out a way to deal with this), you CANNOT say they're fighting for our rights when they published the hack on the net.

If they kept it to themselves, and maybe figured a way to bring back the advertised features without blowing the PS3's door wide open, then I can agree. But this is just wrong, because while it does bring back features Sony advertised...it also opens up game hacking and piracy, and THAT is not doing us any favors.


Well put, and also @ Thranx, the hackers and pirates are one in the same in this case, Cause and effect, the hackers opened the system to be pirated. And i'm sick of ppl saying other OS was an advertised feature, it wasnt. I've yet to see someone make this arguement and have anything to back it up with.

It was on the box

Thats wierd, I bought the Motorstorm bundle in Oct of 07 and I have the box right here and dont see that anywhere. You sure about that?



Mordred11 on 21 January 2011

Trolls's latest attack on Sony revealed!



thranx on 21 January 2011
docholliday said:
thranx said:
docholliday said:
huaxiong90 said:

@Thranx: While I totally agree Sony brought it on themselves (and even hope they lose so as to learn their lesson, and instead figure out a way to deal with this), you CANNOT say they're fighting for our rights when they published the hack on the net.

If they kept it to themselves, and maybe figured a way to bring back the advertised features without blowing the PS3's door wide open, then I can agree. But this is just wrong, because while it does bring back features Sony advertised...it also opens up game hacking and piracy, and THAT is not doing us any favors.


Well put, and also @ Thranx, the hackers and pirates are one in the same in this case, Cause and effect, the hackers opened the system to be pirated. And i'm sick of ppl saying other OS was an advertised feature, it wasnt. I've yet to see someone make this arguement and have anything to back it up with.

It was on the box

Thats wierd, I bought the Motorstorm bundle in Oct of 07 and I have the box right here and dont see that anywhere. You sure about that?

I'm going off of that article, so i concede i may be wrong on that. Still looking for the lawsuit results also. When I find more I will post it.

 

So as far as I can find it was not on the box. It was on various sony webpages according to the law suits currently going through the us court system. feel free to lok up the pdf's. there are atleat 5 plus cases involving lawsuits against sony for the removal of otherOS. Hard to get info though as they are still going the courts.



mantlepiecek on 21 January 2011

Other OS was never advertised, people. It was a side feature. Even the "it only does everything" was started with the PS3 slim, which didn't have linux, so that argument is useless as well.

Saying sony removed something is why hackers hacked this system is a joke. I am a consumer and I hate it when other people compromise my gameplay environment. The hackers are directly responsible for the hacking, and also piracy. Piracy is something I can give two shits about, I don't want cheaters on my online network.

Hey, my PS3 doesn't make me sandwiches, why didn't geohot hack it then? Huh? After all Sony advertised it. It does everything! I hope Geohot can make it make sandwiches because he has the responsibility of making it do everything now.

That makes sense, right?

Other OS is the biggest BS I have ever heard. The linux runs slow as hell, and it allows only 10 GB to be used. All this hacking BS was done just to gain attention, that's all. 

Till now all we have heard because of this hacking(unlike kinect) is piracy, and cheaters, and activision's lame threat. Nothing worthwhile. 



Spedfrom on 21 January 2011
jesus kung fu magic said:
Spedfrom said:

I don't understand how people like the OP get away with so much trolling against Sony. It's baffling.


Messiahs usually get a free pass at trolling. Get with the program and follow the hierarchy. 

And to think you had been posting so little in the last few months. Go back to that.