not sure what's got you all worked up but w/e

if people make around 4-5 killzone threads..about the SAME darn thing, one opinion piece thread, one thread about what one analyst thinks, one about how random guy on a university thinks this is wrong etc etc get posted cluttering the forum yes, it should be moderated and taken care of.

So bitch and moan all you want, not like I care. It's my opinion on the matter, if you don't like it, too bad, get over it

This is to Trios as well:

Look, I know where you're both coming from, and trust me, I agree with a lot of what you said (and I even stated I hope Sony lose the case, and instead figure out a way of dealing with this without screwing us over).

But Euphoria what I will NOT condone from the hackers is to spread the keys for others to start cheating online. I didn't pay money only to play single player games.

That is not fighting for rights. No, that's just another way of screwing us innocent consumers over.

And on another note: What about the Terms of Service?

It is SONY's job to stop the people abusing online.

This kind of stuff has been happening on PC and 360 for years.

In order to gain additional security you will need to forfeit something.

I really hope they start actively monitoring PSN...because the online cheating is what's worrying me the most right now.

I can avoid it on PC due to dedicated servers thankfully, but on consoles it's not easy at all.

Well many 1st party PS3 games run on dedicated servers. MW2 seems to have issues right now but it is p2p.

I think games like KZ3 for example should be fine because unless I am mistaken, it should be easy to track the cheaters if those hacks mess with the info on the server at all.

sony is going about this the wrong way.

lawsuits are counterproductive for the most part.

Sony will lose the majority if not all their lawsuits.....you heard it here 1st

If you are being ignorant enough to agree to a Terms of Agreement then defend breaking it and those who purposely go break it and pirate be my guest. A terms of agreement could say I own your soul and if you click agree you can't go and say that's not true, even though you agreed to it. Your "consumer rights" means nothing if you agree to it.

This lawsuit is not about piracy at all, or hacking the psn. You guys should read it over maybe than you will see where we are coming from

Sorry but you cannot not contract yourself out of your rights. If anything in the ToS is not lawful it is nullified. Many ToS don't really hold much weight in court as they violate so many consumer rights. Look into it, especially in europe as far as I know they have better/more consumer rights over there.

Thranx covered this but i would like to add to it and reinforce it. Many times EULAs and ToS agreements have illegal stipulations. In those cases either part or all of the EULA/ToS is completely nullified. In the case of the former it can get very bad as it gives all past customers completely free reign to do whatever they want. This is why you often don't see the court cases challenging them go very far. Few companies want to risk a worst case scenario that would truly fuck them hard in the backdoor sans lube.

 As an example, if the ToS were to say "By using this product you agree to do contract work for us at any time we desire for no compensation" then that would never hold up. You could try to enforce it, but the judge would quickly dismiss the case and laugh at you. In doing this the judge could also throw out legal parts such as you can't run third party cheat programs while playing online or something similar. This would be unlikely, but if the judge was in a bad mood, or the ToS were particularly assanine the option is there.