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Wagram said:

I found this utterly hilarious.

"And Kinect proved itself to have better games than PlayStation's Move."


Dance Central. That is all.



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daroamer said:
Ajescent said:
daroamer said:
Wagram said:

I found this utterly hilarious.

"And Kinect proved itself to have better games than PlayStation's Move."

Right because Move has Sports Champions and....uhhh....ok, I'm drawing a blank.

Tumble, Heavy Rain, The Fight, Resident Evil 5, Echochrome ii, The Shoot, Funky Lab Rat,  (I would add flight control HD but I get the feeling I'm the only one who loves this game)


The Fight?!? It got horrible reviews. 48 Metacritic

Heavy Rain - tacked on controls and you read stuff like "There's no two ways about it, Heavy Rain is better with a pad." in the reviews.  Move edition has a 72 on metacritic.

The Shoot - 60 metacritic

RE5 - Also tacked on controls.  Some say it's better with Move, others not.  However it wasn't developed for Move.  Production values are obviously much higher because it was a AAA budget traditional game first.

I've never heard of Funky Lab Rat.  Is that a PSN game? Low 70s score.

Tumble is also a PSN game and scored in the low 70s.

Echochrome is also a PSN game.  Looks a bit better, scores in the high 70s but certainly not up to the standards of something like Dance Central.

So these are all games that put Move above Kinect games?  I don't see it. Sorry.  It's certainly not "utterly hilarious" as Wagram suggested, but then he trolls Kinect every chance he gets.


I anticipated you would retort that metacritic doesn't think highly of these games. In summary, many of these games come highly recommended by people who have played it at great length rather than in passing.

Case of reference: Heavy Rain- All users (not reviewers actual users [on here at least]) agree that the move controls are better.

Additionally, my reply is regarding your suggestion that Move only has Sports champion and nothing else not necessarily a comment that it is better than Kinect's line up.

 

P.S

A game is a game regardless of whether or not it is on disc or PSN, it being on PSN does not take away from its ability to be an awesome experience.

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daroamer said:


The Fight?!? It got horrible reviews. 48 Metacritic

Heavy Rain - tacked on controls and you read stuff like "There's no two ways about it, Heavy Rain is better with a pad." in the reviews.  Move edition has a 72 on metacritic.

The Shoot - 60 metacritic

RE5 - Also tacked on controls.  Some say it's better with Move, others not.  However it wasn't developed for Move.  Production values are obviously much higher because it was a AAA budget traditional game first.

I've never heard of Funky Lab Rat.  Is that a PSN game? Low 70s score.

Tumble is also a PSN game and scored in the low 70s.

Echochrome is also a PSN game.  Looks a bit better, scores in the high 70s but certainly not up to the standards of something like Dance Central.

So these are all games that put Move above Kinect games?  I don't see it. Sorry.  It's certainly not "utterly hilarious" as Wagram suggested, but then he trolls Kinect every chance he gets.

Resident Evil 5 > Dance Central

Sports Champions > Kinect Sports

Tumble, echochrome 2 are all PSN games.

Heavy Rain move edition has only 7 reviews. It wasn't even reviewed separately because its not different to the original heavy rain. It might not be better with move, but it definitely has the option.

What kinect games are there again?

Kinectimals - 73

Game party in motion - 33

Harry Potter - 37

Your shape - 73

Dance Central - 83

The biggest loser - 69

Dance Masters - 63

EA active 2 - 67

joy ride - 52

kinect sports - 73      

Just 4 games worth mentioning. 

Move:

Heavy Rain(87), Resident evil 5(86), MAG (76), Sports Champions (76), Echochrome 2(PSN), Funky Lab Rat (PSN),NBA 2K11, Tiger Woods 2011, are just some examples.

 




Ajescent said:
daroamer said:
Ajescent said:
daroamer said:
Wagram said:

I found this utterly hilarious.

"And Kinect proved itself to have better games than PlayStation's Move."

Right because Move has Sports Champions and....uhhh....ok, I'm drawing a blank.

Tumble, Heavy Rain, The Fight, Resident Evil 5, Echochrome ii, The Shoot, Funky Lab Rat,  (I would add flight control HD but I get the feeling I'm the only one who loves this game)


The Fight?!? It got horrible reviews. 48 Metacritic

Heavy Rain - tacked on controls and you read stuff like "There's no two ways about it, Heavy Rain is better with a pad." in the reviews.  Move edition has a 72 on metacritic.

The Shoot - 60 metacritic

RE5 - Also tacked on controls.  Some say it's better with Move, others not.  However it wasn't developed for Move.  Production values are obviously much higher because it was a AAA budget traditional game first.

I've never heard of Funky Lab Rat.  Is that a PSN game? Low 70s score.

Tumble is also a PSN game and scored in the low 70s.

Echochrome is also a PSN game.  Looks a bit better, scores in the high 70s but certainly not up to the standards of something like Dance Central.

So these are all games that put Move above Kinect games?  I don't see it. Sorry.  It's certainly not "utterly hilarious" as Wagram suggested, but then he trolls Kinect every chance he gets.


I anticipated you would retort that metacritic doesn't think highly of these games. In summary, many of these games come highly recommended by people who have played it at great length rather than in passing.

Case of reference: Heavy Rain- All users (not reviewers actual users [on here at least]) agree that the move controls are better.

Additionally, my reply is regarding your suggestion that Move only has Sports champion and nothing else not necessarily a comment that it is better than Kinect's line up.

 

P.S

A game is a game regardless of whether or not it is on disc or PSN, it being on PSN does not take away from its ability to be an awesome experience.

Point of reference: Wipeout HD/Fury.

Right, so basically your opinion vs my opinion.  Fair enough. 

However, I was replying to his statement that it was "utterly hilarious".  It's all a matter of opinion.  If you don't agree with someone elses opinion you don't need to be a so dramatic about it. I don't have a Move but I don't see anything personally to go "WOW, I have to have that!"  Sports Champions seems the most polished of the dedicated Move games but it's also utterly BLAND. 

However I will say I think the fact that Kinect has sparked the interest and imagination of far more people than the Move games says all you need to know about which has the better games.

I had parties over the holidays where we played Kinect Sports and Dance Central for hours and it got everyone involved and wanting to play.  Which games out of the ones you listed seem to have the kind of draw?   I just don't see Move's killer app.



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mantlepiecek said:

Resident Evil 5 > Dance Central

Sports Champions > Kinect Sports

Tumble, echochrome 2 are all PSN games.

Heavy Rain move edition has only 7 reviews. It wasn't even reviewed separately because its not different to the original heavy rain. It might not be better with move, but it definitely has the option.

What kinect games are there again?

Kinectimals - 73

Game party in motion - 33

Harry Potter - 37

Your shape - 73

Dance Central - 83

The biggest loser - 69

Dance Masters - 63

EA active 2 - 67

joy ride - 52

kinect sports - 73      

Just 4 games worth mentioning. 

Move:

Heavy Rain(87), Resident evil 5(86), MAG (76), Sports Champions (76), Echochrome 2(PSN), Funky Lab Rat (PSN),NBA 2K11, Tiger Woods 2011, are just some examples.

 


Do you need Move to play RE5? I have don't have move, but I can still play RE5 (360/PS3). Heavy Rain? Again I don't have move, but that won't stop me from playing it on my PS3 if I want to. The same with MAG, I don't have move but I can still play the game. Move is optional and definitely no necessary to play those games. (especially since all 3 of those were released BEFORE move came out)

Kinect Sports and Sports Champions have roughly the same Meta score (73 vs 76) so it comes more down to preference.

Next thing you know you'll be listing KZ3 on the "move" list. Because as we all know millions of people are going to be buying KZ3 just because of move! /sarcasm




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smbu2000 said:

Do you need Move to play RE5? I have don't have move, but I can still play RE5 (360/PS3). Heavy Rain? Again I don't have move, but that won't stop me from playing it on my PS3 if I want to. The same with MAG, I don't have move but I can still play the game. Move is optional and definitely no necessary to play those games. (especially since all 3 of those were released BEFORE move came out)

Kinect Sports and Sports Champions have roughly the same Meta score (73 vs 76) so it comes more down to preference.

Next thing you know you'll be listing KZ3 on the "move" list. Because as we all know millions of people are going to be buying KZ3 just because of move! /sarcasm


You may not "need" move to play RE 5, but you can definitely use them, hence why Move had better games than kinect.

People seem to forget that move was released as a substitute for DS 3 and not as a platform. Only few games that are convenient with only move (like beat sketcher) are move only, everything else is available for both controllers. The experience of RE 5 is better with move than with a DS 3, so you playing it with a DS 3 is completely different to you playing it with move. Same goes for KZ3, playing it with the sharpshooter attachment is what people actually imagined kinect could do, ironic that its PS move that's going to be doing it.

Also, this argument of yours actually brings something else to light. The multi-platform exclusives of 360. You can use the same argument that you can play it on the PC. You guys have no problem including that as "exclusives", but in the case of move, it is an exception, huh?



I can't believe people fight over the whole MOVE Vs Kinect thing. Unthinkible 3/4 years ago were people were more interested in fights about particle effects, screen resolution and the number of polygons in a figure.



mantlepiecek said:
smbu2000 said:

Do you need Move to play RE5? I have don't have move, but I can still play RE5 (360/PS3). Heavy Rain? Again I don't have move, but that won't stop me from playing it on my PS3 if I want to. The same with MAG, I don't have move but I can still play the game. Move is optional and definitely no necessary to play those games. (especially since all 3 of those were released BEFORE move came out)

Kinect Sports and Sports Champions have roughly the same Meta score (73 vs 76) so it comes more down to preference.

Next thing you know you'll be listing KZ3 on the "move" list. Because as we all know millions of people are going to be buying KZ3 just because of move! /sarcasm


You may not "need" move to play RE 5, but you can definitely use them, hence why Move had better games than kinect.

People seem to forget that move was released as a substitute for DS 3 and not as a platform. Only few games that are convenient with only move (like beat sketcher) are move only, everything else is available for both controllers. The experience of RE 5 is better with move than with a DS 3, so you playing it with a DS 3 is completely different to you playing it with move. Same goes for KZ3, playing it with the sharpshooter attachment is what people actually imagined kinect could do, ironic that its PS move that's going to be doing it.

Also, this argument of yours actually brings something else to light. The multi-platform exclusives of 360. You can use the same argument that you can play it on the PC. You guys have no problem including that as "exclusives", but in the case of move, it is an exception, huh?

You just argued the opposite of what you were trying to.

People discount PC when talking Xbox vs PS3 exclusives because most people prefer to game on their couch, not in front of the computer.  Most people don't have a PC setup on their TV for gaming.  In the vast majority of cases the console version of the game is the one that is pushed by the developers and is where the bulk of sales are.  The PC versions cater to a different demographic.

Similarly people discount the Move "enabled" games because the controller version is the one that was focused on, developed for and pushed by the developers.   Move is included as more as a bonus and the games weren't built around that control scheme.

So it's really the same thing, most discount PC when discussing exclusives because most people will be playing on the console, and we're discount Move when talking games like Killzone 3 because most people will be playing on the controller.

So thanks for proving our point!



daroamer said:
mantlepiecek said:


You may not "need" move to play RE 5, but you can definitely use them, hence why Move had better games than kinect.

People seem to forget that move was released as a substitute for DS 3 and not as a platform. Only few games that are convenient with only move (like beat sketcher) are move only, everything else is available for both controllers. The experience of RE 5 is better with move than with a DS 3, so you playing it with a DS 3 is completely different to you playing it with move. Same goes for KZ3, playing it with the sharpshooter attachment is what people actually imagined kinect could do, ironic that its PS move that's going to be doing it.

Also, this argument of yours actually brings something else to light. The multi-platform exclusives of 360. You can use the same argument that you can play it on the PC. You guys have no problem including that as "exclusives", but in the case of move, it is an exception, huh?

You just argued the opposite of what you were trying to.

People discount PC when talking Xbox vs PS3 exclusives because most people prefer to game on their couch, not in front of the computer.  Most people don't have a PC setup on their TV for gaming.  In the vast majority of cases the console version of the game is the one that is pushed by the developers and is where the bulk of sales are.  The PC versions cater to a different demographic.

Similarly people discount the Move "enabled" games because the controller version is the one that was focused on, developed for and pushed by the developers.   Move is included as more as a bonus and the games weren't built around that control scheme.

So it's really the same thing, most discount PC when discussing exclusives because most people will be playing on the console, and we're discount Move when talking games like Killzone 3 because most people will be playing on the controller.

So thanks for proving our point!


Err...?

Most games are made for the PC and then ported over to the 360 and PS3. Or developed separately on each of them. It doesn't matter if you play from your couch or in front of your monitor, the experience is the same. Its actually better on the PC most of the times because of higher frame-rates and better graphics. But the overall experience of the game remains most of the times, the same.

That's not the same case with move. Killzone 3 might be played by more people with a DS 3, but we all know that the best way to play it is by a sharpshooter. Which is why the killzone developers have distributed these sharpshooters to all the major reviewers. Same goes for socom and MAG and resident evil 5 and RUSE(which btw, is fantastic with Move. Its an RTS, and was specifically launched with move).

Most discount PC when discussing 360's exclusives because they are not available on the PS3, and if its a choice to buy either PS3 or 360, the "exclusive" list helps them. That's usually because a normal person's PC wouldn't be strong enough to play the 360/PC games. You would be surprised if you actually knew the no. of people that actually play on the PC, if you include everyone who pirates their games. As it is there are 30 million on steam, and many more who don't have a steam account who play PCs, and then there are people who play only offline as well. And then the pirates.

Do you honestly think that left 4 Dead was pushed as a 360 game? It was pushed as a PC game just like all the other valve games. Same with metro 2033 and all other PC games that were ported over to the 360.