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sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:

Plenty of people shoot in their own homes.  Outside that, it's still more useful then Cigarretes, which have literally zero benefits and kill more people per year through personal use.

I don't really disagree with 1 or 2.  Except for the fact that it's very hard to define "sane."  Hence why you usually use criminal record as a barrier. 

As for 3.... hunting is actually one of the most humane way to get your meat.

Have you actually seen where the majority meat comes from?  Check out any book or documentry about factory farming there isn't anything more inhumane then that.

I'm pretty sure a psychiatrist can judge whether a person is capable or not to own a gun, without starting to shoot everybody.

And I doubt many people today hunt for food. The vast majority of hunters hunt "for sport", which is a despicable practice.

I don't know a single person who doesn't eat the animal the animals they hunt, or at the very least give the food to someone after they kill it.

I'm pretty sure that's actually illegal in the US outside making the occasional trophy.

Afterall hunter's have limits to protect the national population.  To count limits you need to bring the stuff with you.



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sapphi_snake said:
mrstickball said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:

Plenty of people shoot in their own homes.  Outside that, it's still more useful then Cigarretes, which have literally zero benefits and kill more people per year through personal use.

I don't really disagree with 1 or 2.  Except for the fact that it's very hard to define "sane."  Hence why you usually use criminal record as a barrier. 

As for 3.... hunting is actually one of the most humane way to get your meat.

Have you actually seen where the majority meat comes from?  Check out any book or documentry about factory farming there isn't anything more inhumane then that.

I'm pretty sure a psychiatrist can judge whether a person is capable or not to own a gun, without starting to shoot everybody.

And I doubt many people today hunt for food. The vast majority of hunters hunt "for sport", which is a despicable practice.

Where I live, that is certainly not the case. During hunting season, hundreds of thousands of deer are shot and tagged, and used for food. Many hunters in the state of Ohio donate their hunt to local food pantries and food banks.

They donated 104,000 pounds to the hungry last year in my state:

http://www2.nbc4i.com/news/2010/dec/15/2/ohio-deer-hunters-donate-venison-food-banks-ar-327767/

While that is true, today we no longer need to hunt poor animals for food. There are already several animals killed and their meat is sold at supermarkets. There's really no point in all this extra killing.

Well....

A. No country exists where nobody is poor and nobody doesn't get enough to eat.

B.  The markets adjust for these kind of things.

C. Again, look up factory farming.  Which is really worse?  Shooting an animal that's lived a normal life it's entire life, or keeping an animal in a pen roughly the size of the animal itself for years... feeding it substandard food that may include dead pieces of it's own race... until eventually you kill it via a large metal object to it's head without any painkillers.  (It's hard to explain a cattle killer.)



badgenome said:
sapphi_snake said:

While that is true, today we no longer need to hunt poor animals for food. There are already several animals killed and their meat is sold at supermarkets. There's really no point in all this extra killing.

I mean, I'm sure they have alternatives. I don't hunt, and I'm not starving. But I don't know any hunters who don't eat what they hunt.

And if there were no deer hunting where I live, the deer population would get out of hand in no time flat. I really don't think it's more humane to have animals starving to death and being hit by cars than it is to shoot them and eat them. I can't see how it's more humane to slaughter a cow than it is to shoot a deer, either.

You don't know people who hunt for sport?



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sapphi_snake said:
badgenome said:
sapphi_snake said:

While that is true, today we no longer need to hunt poor animals for food. There are already several animals killed and their meat is sold at supermarkets. There's really no point in all this extra killing.

I mean, I'm sure they have alternatives. I don't hunt, and I'm not starving. But I don't know any hunters who don't eat what they hunt.

And if there were no deer hunting where I live, the deer population would get out of hand in no time flat. I really don't think it's more humane to have animals starving to death and being hit by cars than it is to shoot them and eat them. I can't see how it's more humane to slaughter a cow than it is to shoot a deer, either.

You don't know people who hunt for sport?

No. And neither do I. I know dozens of hunters. Yes, there is a sport element involved (the thrill of the hunt), but they all use the meat to feed their families. I know many, though, that fish for sport and throw back their catch, which I never understood. Usually, you can find a few good hunters that will provide much deer to their friends and families, especially in times of need, since the meat usually keeps for a few years in freezers.

It must be a cultural thing. When you live in an area that hasn't been urbanized for thousands of years, have a government that allows you to own firearms, and a pretty strong population of great animals to hunt, people tend to do it, and enjoy it. 

It also brings you to respect nature and animals far more than simply going to the supermarket and buying a steak dinner. When you actually view the animal you shoot, kill, and carve up, you respect its life, and try to honor them with a clean kill (much like the indians did when they hunted in the same areas centuries ago). I think one of the reasons we care so little about factory farming is that we've detatched ourselves far and away from what it takes to actually raise or hunt food.

 



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sapphi_snake said:

You don't know people who hunt for sport?

There's a sporting aspect to it, sure, but they all eat what they kill or give it to someone else.



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badgenome said:
sapphi_snake said:

You don't know people who hunt for sport?

There's a sporting aspect to it, sure, but they all eat what they kill or give it to someone else.

What about people who kill animals and then have them stuffed / turned into trophies?



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sapphi_snake said:
badgenome said:
sapphi_snake said:

You don't know people who hunt for sport?

There's a sporting aspect to it, sure, but they all eat what they kill or give it to someone else.

What about people who kill animals and then have them stuffed / turned into trophies?

People might have the head mounted or something, but pure trophy hunting certainly isn't common around here. Probably because we don't have much to hunt other than deer and birds.

I can't say I'm a fan of the practice of trophy hunting for the sake of trophy hunting. But if I ever killed a rabid bobcat or something like that for a good reason, I might have it stuffed. As it is, I just hunt trophies on my PS3.



This is quite odd. Western Pennsylvania is heavily hunting country, but i don't know anyone that seriously eats venison (or even likes it). If they eat the deer, it's for deer jerky, which is hardly any sort of serious sustenance.

 

Though this argument's gone severely off-topic. I'm no fan of guns in the home, just because of the tendency to lead to tragedy (mostly either suicidal or accidental), and i'm a stringent foe of guns that have no viable purpose other than aggressively killing lots of people (assault weapons and the like), but hunting i feel is ultimately a benign cultural thing, and should be left alone, though ideally i'd have some technique for isolating hunting rifles outside the home



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Mr Khan said:

This is quite odd. Western Pennsylvania is heavily hunting country, but i don't know anyone that seriously eats venison (or even likes it). If they eat the deer, it's for deer jerky, which is hardly any sort of serious sustenance.

 

Though this argument's gone severely off-topic. I'm no fan of guns in the home, just because of the tendency to lead to tragedy (mostly either suicidal or accidental), and i'm a stringent foe of guns that have no viable purpose other than aggressively killing lots of people (assault weapons and the like), but hunting i feel is ultimately a benign cultural thing, and should be left alone, though ideally i'd have some technique for isolating hunting rifles outside the home

Accidental I can see, though accidental gun deaths are very low.

But suicidal?  It's not like people say "Oh I want to kill myself, but darn it... I don't have a gun."



Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:

This is quite odd. Western Pennsylvania is heavily hunting country, but i don't know anyone that seriously eats venison (or even likes it). If they eat the deer, it's for deer jerky, which is hardly any sort of serious sustenance.

 

Though this argument's gone severely off-topic. I'm no fan of guns in the home, just because of the tendency to lead to tragedy (mostly either suicidal or accidental), and i'm a stringent foe of guns that have no viable purpose other than aggressively killing lots of people (assault weapons and the like), but hunting i feel is ultimately a benign cultural thing, and should be left alone, though ideally i'd have some technique for isolating hunting rifles outside the home

Accidental I can see, though accidental gun deaths are very low.

But suicidal?  It's not like people say "Oh I want to kill myself, but darn it... I don't have a gun."

I would also mention that if those are his views (left of center), I would imagine he may not be in the type of kill-it-and-eat-it crowd, and is unlikely to know people that are serious about both hunting for food. I live close to him (central Ohio), and can say that we hunt likely as much as western PA, and everyone does it for food.



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