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dsister said:

In other news he was a registered independent in 06 and 08 but in 2010 didn't vote at all

 

Off topic: The site I get my news from leans to the right so all the news reflects that. Is there any slightly left leaning news aggregates kind of like drudgereport out there?


http://www.buzzflash.com/



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NinjaguyDan said:

http://www.buzzflash.com/

ewwww@ the design
But it'll work, thanks!



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dsister said:
NinjaguyDan said:

http://www.buzzflash.com/

ewwww@ the design
But it'll work, thanks!


I Know! This is what it used to look like:  http://classic.buzzflash.com/

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It's interesting to note that Sheriff Dupnik was actually one of the first to start pushing "the Tea Party did it" meme, and it's also interesting that he acknowledged that Loughner has a history of making death threats. I hope the media can shut the fuck up about Sarah Palin long enough to see if the sheriff's department dropped the ball on Loughner, either out of sheer incompetence or perhaps because they looked the other way as a favor to Loughner's mother (who works for Pima County Park and Recreation services) and father (who works for the local Child Protective Service). If it's the latter, it would certainly explain why the sheriff was trying to deflect and politicize the issue, aside from his being a rabid partisan.



Kasz216 said:


Left Libretarianism doesn't exist that much though... anywhere.  It's not a credible political movement in any country I'm aware of.

Also, Leninism IS Marxism, the belief that there is a difference is the ignoring of Marx works and letters. 

Actually the overwhelming majority of self-defined libertarian groups in Europe are of anarco-sindacalist matrix, offspring of historical anarchism, consider themselves roughly part of what is generally called the left wing and are opposed to the doctrine of complete economic laissez-faire, perceived as an an environment mostly tuned to the interests of big multinational corporations. It's the american (capitalistic) libertarian movement that is considered somewhat of an odd duck, but you might say that it's basically the same term being used to denote very different things.

Historical anarchism shared with marxism the praxis and theory of the liberation of downtrodden masses, mainly country workers back in the 19th century. In 1848 Paris, red and black flags were placed together side by side on the barricades. In Spain's civil war the perceived betrayal of the social revolution by the PCE was all the more bitter for anarchists and POUM as they had fought together with the communists up to the point when the Soviet Union diktat asked for a quelching of the workers' insurgence. Still, even though they did not share the marxist analysis and theory, that was an occasion when the anarchists were able to actually try out the bottom-up, self-organized, small scale collectivistic communities that were the actual goal of anarchic insurrections in backward rural areas.



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WereKitten said:
Kasz216 said:


Left Libretarianism doesn't exist that much though... anywhere.  It's not a credible political movement in any country I'm aware of.

Also, Leninism IS Marxism, the belief that there is a difference is the ignoring of Marx works and letters. 

Actually the overwhelming majority of self-defined libertarian groups in Europe are of anarco-sindacalist matrix, offspring of historical anarchism, consider themselves roughly part of what is generally called the left wing and are opposed to the doctrine of complete economic laissez-faire, perceived as an an environment mostly tuned to the interests of big multinational corporations. It's the american (capitalistic) libertarian movement that is considered somewhat of an odd duck, but you might say that it's basically the same term being used to denote very different things.

Historical anarchism shared with marxism the praxis and theory of the liberation of downtrodden masses, mainly country workers back in the 19th century. In 1848 Paris, red and black flags were placed together side by side on the barricades. In Spain's civil war the perceived betrayal of the social revolution by the PCE was all the more bitter for anarchists and POUM as they had fought together with the communists up to the point when the Soviet Union diktat asked for a quelching of the workers' insurgence. Still, even though they did not share the marxist analysis and theory, that was an occasion when the anarchists were able to actually try out the bottom-up, self-organized, small scale collectivistic communities that were the actual goal of anarchic insurrections in backward rural areas.


If your counting Left Libretarians and anarchists... well that's the closest this guy counts politics wise, as all of the books he liked were basically man vs the establishment.

How many anarchist groups are one of the two or three parties to where they would deserve to define one of the political extremes?

This is what I mean by "They don't exist."


Neither do american Libretarians.  Hence why Libretarians don't deserve to define the current right to left political field.

 



ManusJustus said:
badgenome said:

Piss weak, as neither you nor anyone else has presented as single shred of evidence that Jared Loughner was in any way, shape, or form associated with or inspired by the tea party.

Read his online postings.  He was concerned with "illiterante voters not being able to read the Constitiion and politicians passing treasonous laws."  Thats the Tea Party line right there.

Why don't you do America a favor and move to the Middle East and live with your conservative kind?

Uh-oh, Manus. His online postings included a lot of ranting about "dreams" and "dreamers". Sounds like he was angry about the failure of the DREAM Act! I knew it was only a matter of time before the overheated rhetoric at immigration rallies spilled over into actual violence!

Why don't you do America and the tattered remains of your own dignity a favor never try to impose your views on the actions of a madman again? It just doesn't end well.



I want to look a bit again at what can be quantified as hatred. and individuals who are of this ilk, who end up having very much hateful thoughts, and likely not to be considered civil.  YES, the internet gives you the ability to be one, and one can say that, "Well, the person isn't like that in real life."  Well, if you give someone something to hide behind, theor true thoughts come out.  Consider one, Rich Becker, who ran into my story about my being laid off, and suggested unemployed should kill themselves, in order to lower his taxes.  He has some other ditties.  Anyhow, here you go, a sampling of his "finest":

http://www.walletpop.com/profile/819227/page/1/

* Mar 1st 2010 4:26PM I THINK SUICIDE WOULD WORK FOR THIS LOSER.STOP HIS WHINING AND REDUCE MY TAXES.WHAT A JERKOFF.

* On Charles Rangel: Feb 25th 2010 9:13PM GEE.DO YOU THINK HE HAS BEEN GETTING AWAY WITH THIS FOR YEARS BECAUSE HE IS BLACK? O NO. A BLACK THIEF. UNHEARD OF. HE BE INOOOCENT.IT'S WHITIES FAULT. CRIMINAL.

* On an NAACP leader: Feb 21st 2010 3:06PM WILSON
YOU CAN BE SURE TO DO WHAT IS EXPECTED OF HER.STEAL EVERY PENNY SHE CAN FOR HER TRIBE.

* Jan 15th 2010 4:53PM WHAT HAPPENED TO THE 3 BILLION THE U.S. HAS SENT TO ODUMBO'S HOMEBOYS? LET THEM THIN OUT THEIR POPULATION. 9 MILLION LESS HAITIANS WILL HELP OUR BUDGET.

* On a black comedian, Kat Williams: Jan 13th 2010 7:26PM Just another chimp.CHIMPIN OUT.There is your missing links.

* Oct 8th 2009 9:56PM ANY CITY WITH LOTS OF BLACKS WILL HAVE LOTS OF CRIME.CALL ME RACIST BIGOT WHATEVER FACTS ARE FACTS.20 KIDS 1 MOTHER 15 FATHERS = 36 CRACK CRIMINALS ALL JUMPING UP AND DOWN LIKE SAVAGES.AND OBAMA TRYING TO GIVE THEM ALL OTHER PEOPLES MONEY.

* Sep 5th 2009 2:12AM Keep the chimps in their cages

* Aug 21st 2009 8:57PM THATS BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIVE IN A JUNGLE TRIBE.

* Aug 21st 2009 8:53PM 12 MORE VOTES FOR THE OBAMA TRIBE

* On an article about black comedian Tracy Morgan: Mar 30th 2007 10:41PM JUST ANOTHER MONKEY DOING IT'S THING.WHAT DO YOU EXPECT.

 

So, there you go.  Anyone want to speak up here?  Yes, one has every right to say whatever you want.  But, if people shun this Rich Becker (oh and forbid that an employer find out and he get fired and can't find work, because he would have to off himself to lower taxes) well I say they have the right to do so.



Apparently Peter King decided to match Bob Brady's stupidity and intends to propose a bill that will make it illegal to carry a gun within 1000 feet of a government official. Because Loughner wouldn't have shot Giffords if there had been a law against it!

Meanwhile former Congressman Paul Kanjorski takes a break from his busy schedule of calling for Governor Rick Scott to be put against the wall and shot to remind us all that creating an atmosphere of civility is important, or something.



Why does the msm media refuse to work.  Why do they lazily imply it was Palin when there are facts that can be looked at?  Why do they make up a story?  

Some facts:

He didn't believe the world you and I lived in was real(sounds like the matrix) he was very unstable.

He lived with his parents and according to people who knew him he was obviously unstable

The killers parents worked for the town government

The chief threw out a few names who had a hand in this with obviously no proof

Now maybe a reporter might actually do some work and wonder why the Chief tried to take the spot light off himself and on to someone else who DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS?