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voty2000 said:

My problem with predictions on this site is that most people make very uniformed predications.  Instead of using facts as a guideline, they use fanboy drivel.  I enjoy reading peoples predictions when they back them up whether they turn out true or false.  They used the best information they had at the time to make a guess, which is great. 

Recently, some people have predicted that Kinect will fall off the face of the earth after this holiday season.   There is no good reasoning to come up with this prediction other than they want it to fail.  The only argument that could be used is that there is little software support, but this is flawed because we do not know what MS has planned for next year.  These people are assuming that MS will stop supporting Kinect which is simply ridiculous. 

Bottom line:  Informed predictions are great, fanboy drivel sucks.

I agree with you completely on the first part. If somebody had told me before the PS3 Slim announcement that the PS3 would peak in 2010, I wouldn't give them credit for getting it right because it was just fanboyish hope that led them to believe it - not reason. If, looking at how things were going, somebody had said that the Wii would be at 75m sales by 2010 back in late 2008, I wouldn't serve them crow later simply because they were using the best resources available to them and were predicting the most likely result, even if they were 10m off.

EDIT - Oh, and this is hillarious! Every one of my arguments with Chibi results in its own thread. It's ike some sort of curse, xD.



 

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Immortal said:
voty2000 said:

My problem with predictions on this site is that most people make very uniformed predications.  Instead of using facts as a guideline, they use fanboy drivel.  I enjoy reading peoples predictions when they back them up whether they turn out true or false.  They used the best information they had at the time to make a guess, which is great. 

Recently, some people have predicted that Kinect will fall off the face of the earth after this holiday season.   There is no good reasoning to come up with this prediction other than they want it to fail.  The only argument that could be used is that there is little software support, but this is flawed because we do not know what MS has planned for next year.  These people are assuming that MS will stop supporting Kinect which is simply ridiculous. 

Bottom line:  Informed predictions are great, fanboy drivel sucks.

I agree with you completely on the first part. If somebody had told me before the PS3 Slim announcement that the PS3 would peak in 2010, I wouldn't give them credit for getting it right because it was just fanboyish hope that led them to believe it - not reason. If, looking at how things were going, somebody had said that the Wii would be at 75m sales by 2010 back in late 2008, I wouldn't serve them crow later simply because they were using the best resources available to them and were predicting the most likely result, even if they were 10m off.

EDIT - Oh, and this is hillarious! Every one of my arguments with Chibi results in its own thread. It's ike some sort of curse, xD.


Actual only 2 did and i dont put your name int he title or article :P we have had about 6 so im ignoring you from know on :P As the way you say things even when i agree annoys me >_>



Yeah i know my spelling sucks but im dysgraphic so live with it :3    

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By the way i would liek to point out that the definiton for prediction that states "(as by reasoning with the future)" i am free to understand it however i wish as it is somewhat vague. I believe it means to use common sense which is generally guided my things of fact. Unless your common sense involves fairies and dragons gergroy ;)



Yeah i know my spelling sucks but im dysgraphic so live with it :3    

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Chibi.V.29 said:

Actual only 2 did and i dont put your name int he title or article :P we have had about 6 so im ignoring you from know on :P As the way you say things even when i agree annoys me >_>


That wasn't supposed to be literal, :P. It was hyperbole.

And I don't see how you can say I sound annoying without feeling hypocritical when you're the one who always seems to respond condescendingly to anything you disagree with and waits till someone gets irritated and responds to give any reason for it.

But that's completely offtopic, and I don't think another thread is needed, :P, so whatever.



 

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Immortal said:
Chibi.V.29 said:

Actual only 2 did and i dont put your name int he title or article :P we have had about 6 so im ignoring you from know on :P As the way you say things even when i agree annoys me >_>


That wasn't supposed to be literal, :P. It was hyperbole.

And I don't see how you can say I sound annoying without feeling hypocritical when you're the one who always seems to respond condescendingly to anything you disagree with and waits till someone gets irritated and responds to give any reason for it.

But that's completely offtopic, and I don't think another thread is needed, :P, so whatever.

Anata no meiwakuna >_>



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chibi is right, because he is on my friend list and you don't!



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

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Porcupine_I said:

chibi is right, because he is on my friend list and you don't!


Hell yh!!!! haha



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Chibi.V.29 said:

By the way i would liek to point out that the definiton for prediction that states "(as by reasoning with the future)" i am free to understand it however i wish as it is somewhat vague. I believe it means to use common sense which is generally guided my things of fact. Unless your common sense involves fairies and dragons gergroy ;)

yes, that definition is very vague.  You can apply meaning to it how you will, but when you couple it with all the other definitions out there, it is obvious how the word is meant to be used.  That is using common sense my friend ;)

edit: also, there are plenty of facts about the sales of the consoles out there right now, we have historical trends, current trends, sale through data, etc.  You can easily make a prediction at this point based on a bunch of facts, you just don't have all of them yet, which is why it is a prediction and not a fact.



To make a prediction I'd say you need atleast something to base it on other than trying fo a Lucky Shot or fanboyism. You can not, however be sure you have all the variables, and waiting for every variable to be available would completely kill the point of making a prediction.

What's the point of predicting what is already known?



gergroy said:
Chibi.V.29 said:

By the way i would liek to point out that the definiton for prediction that states "(as by reasoning with the future)" i am free to understand it however i wish as it is somewhat vague. I believe it means to use common sense which is generally guided my things of fact. Unless your common sense involves fairies and dragons gergroy ;)

yes, that definition is very vague.  You can apply meaning to it how you will, but when you couple it with all the other definitions out there, it is obvious how the word is meant to be used.  That is using common sense my friend ;)

edit: also, there are plenty of facts about the sales of the consoles out there right now, we have historical trends, current trends, sale through data, etc.  You can easily make a prediction at this point based on a bunch of facts, you just don't have all of them yet, which is why it is a prediction and not a fact.

Oh so if you told someone 1 year ago that the xbox would beat they ps3 after the ps3 won for something like 6 months in a row they would believe you based on your obviously vast knowledge ;)



Yeah i know my spelling sucks but im dysgraphic so live with it :3    

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