MS hasn't learned this lesson, neither has Sony, their attach rates are phenomenal and surely much higher than we have seen. Nintendo's are slightly higher but still higher than past experiences. This gen is game hungry that is why this gen will last a while. 

An shooters are very different you think console makers are catering to them when they are catering for the quick buck a Halo here, a Mario game here, Ratchet and Clank there, A Rockband/Guitar Hero everywhere. But when you look at a fair few new IP's they are also looking for their old base of 5-15 titles per year people. Also I think the instance of people owning 2 - 3 consoles are probably higher this gen then others. So as Sony did this Christmas if you have too many games at once some body might want to buy another consoles game and leave yours out to dry. 

This is one of the major reasons imo why developers are delaying games when other consoles exclusives are releasing.

Cos it happened with Rare, that means it will happen with every studio in the video game industry!

He clearly was trying to use sales as a back up because if he said simply it was good that doesnt exactly stand a lot of ground. How on gods name did MS kill Rareware, they made them on of the main components in the main things MS has done this Gen, New Experience, Avatars incl, Kinect, one of Kinects main games in Kinect sports (the first non attached 1 million seller) which is a great success for a new platforms game to sell this quickly. 

From all reports Rare has done fantastically. And are you really criticising MS ip's, have  you played Alan Wake, have you played Kinect Sports, have you played Dance Central. If there is no to 2/3 of those, you cant really comment on how MS is doing now can you?

Oh yeah my bad, forgot about forum mentality sometimes. Rare imo is not weaker, they just apparently are not allowed to work on some of their older franchises, ie Donkey Kong (i know they didnt create it but they got it mainstream imo) Goldeneye (this one i dont get) but they still have Banjo and they are experimenting more than anything with him. I like the results so far as long as they dont backtrack they are doing the right thing.

So Viva Pinata is "doing the right thing". Rare's founders jumped ship, and the only good game that they have o the 360 is Perfect Dark Zero. Kinect currently has the "casual" look that the Wii had, so if Rare wants to keep themselves looking "hardcore", then they need to do what you said and bring back older franchises. Killer Instinct anyone?

The problem that I see with Rare now, is well, Kinect. Core gamers don't support Kinect that much, so if Rare starts working on it, people will see them like they see Nintendo: "Abandoning their fans".  Things could get better with them if they, again, bring back classics, but I don't see that happening.

I think some of you guys are nuts that think buying BioWare was a good idea. None of their games sell well enough to make a huge difference in the long run, and I'm sure Microsoft would really enjoy having to bankroll the giant behemoth The Old Republic for a platform they no longer actively support. There's absolutely no way EA is making money off of BioWare.

Nintendo retained the rights to publish a Goldeneye game, while Rare retained rights to the game itself, making a tricky legal hole where neither Microsoft nor Rare could publish a remake, nor could Nintendo re-release the original (like to Virtual Console). Thus the Goldeneye that we got was one of the few possibilities (a Nintendo-sanctioned spiritual remake)

Your going to be fun. Yes Viva Pinata is doing the right thing. Viva Pinata is shaking things up. What a weird arse game Viva Pinata, though that is for the better, no question. Got great reviews I played it and had fun isnt that we want in a game so i fail to see your criticism for said game... anyway.

Rare founders did jump ship, you know they mainly dont design anymore dont you? Well they didnt for rare, MS managed to keep most of the company in tact and grabbed a few IP's in the process. 

Bolded: That is clearly your opinion. I personally prefer Viva Pinata or Kinect Sports, but hey that is just me. 

Why would Rare have this "Hardcore" image you are dreaming of. I havent seen a lot of people saying Rares games are hardcore, I may be missing something though, I personally wouldnt call Banjo hardcore for example, if anything Hardcore vs Casual are stupid ways to define games, they have always been about being accessible to everyone and they havent changed in this regard.

And these Core gamers you speak of, I would say VGchartz has got quite the bastion of "core gamers" yet it seems to be rather well received on this forum soooo... I am confused. Also Rare is not abandoning their fans, they are simply doing to the 360 what they have done with their games, make them more accessible to everyone, I dont see that as bad personally.

Fair enough, thankyou for explaining that, I never got it. Especially if you look at the new Goldeneye, I think they did more then find a loophole, but I think MS thought it better to question and moved on. Shitty the way Nintendo played that though.

mmm,,?,,lionhead fable series ..?