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Forums - Microsoft - 2011 line up ultimately all about Kinect? - Stephen McGill

Seece said:
mantlepiecek said:

Considering the last two years hardly bought anything to the plate, I would be hardly surprised if 360 didn't get any non-kinect exclusive other than Gears of war 3 and forza 4. We might see another Halo though, its there every year, Halo 3 Halo wars ODST Reach blah blah blah(where blah stands for future halo games)

Crackdown 2, Splinter Cell, Alan Wake, Fable III, Halo: Reach and Mass Effect 2.
Splinter Cell
Granted some are 3rd party and going multi (ME2), but they did put effort in this year.

Kingdoms and XCOm are already coming along with Forza 4 and Gears 3, a possible Halo remake, and something else, would be acceptable for 360 in 2011.

360 core exclusives titles will never be the same amount as PS3 given how many studios Sony have.

Xcom might come to the PS3 as well though. If ME 2 came, then anything can. 

Although it will be in 2012 if it does.



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Seece said:
mantlepiecek said:

Considering the last two years hardly bought anything to the plate, I would be hardly surprised if 360 didn't get any non-kinect exclusive other than Gears of war 3 and forza 4. We might see another Halo though, its there every year, Halo 3 Halo wars ODST Reach blah blah blah(where blah stands for future halo games)

Crackdown 2, Splinter Cell, Alan Wake, Fable III, Halo: Reach and Mass Effect 2.

Granted some are 3rd party and going multi (ME2), but they did put effort in this year.

Kingdoms and XCOm are already coming along with Forza 4 and Gears 3, a possible Halo remake, and something else, would be acceptable for 360 in 2011.

360 core exclusives titles will never be the same amount as PS3 given how many studios Sony have.

True, one could say that Sony are chocking the game industry by having too many internal studios and not letting all the platforms have a piece, but then again, if ALL games were third party, people would obviously opt for the cheapest short term option.



Disconnect and self destruct, one bullet a time.

So, what have we here.

Apparently it has just been decided that if you're pro-PS3, you can't deliver MS articles, be they neutral or negative, as it can be construed that the messenger is stealth-trolling the system. If you're pro one system, you can't give news from another.

That's the basic message people are saying.

Though I don't see what the problem is. 

News is news. It gets delivered. The only problem people have with this thread is the messenger. Now put on your thinking caps. If MUGEN was trying to troll, would he really just leave the article? Would he not also try to put a negative spin on it IF he were trying to troll? 

Apparently stealth-trolling these days is defined as leaving an article out in the open and allow the members to put a negative spin on it. That makes no sense. The article was neutral. It wasn't pro or anti MS. It was just a piece of info. And is it not ironic the people who detected the "anti-MS" attitude in it were in fact, not the anti-MS guys, but the pro-MS guys?

Admit it: if a pro-MS guy delivered it, you wouldn't be having this argument. It's always how we view other people, it's always shooting the messenger, isn't it? Paranoia about alignment makes you think that if someone is for another console they always try to demean the other, even by the most SIMPLE act of posting an article that wasn't even negative and didn't even ATTEMPT to put a negative spin on it.

So what's the problem? There is no stealth-trolling, you guys just don't want negative news to be posted by fans of another console because, for some reason, that's considered "stealth-trolling."



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

dtewi said:

So, what have we here.

Apparently it has just been decided that if you're pro-PS3, you can't deliver MS articles, be they neutral or negative, as it can be construed that the messenger is stealth-trolling the system. If you're pro one system, you can't give news from another.

That's the basic message people are saying.

Though I don't see what the problem is. 

News is news. It gets delivered. The only problem people have with this thread is the messenger. Now put on your thinking caps. If MUGEN was trying to troll, would he really just leave the article? Would he not also try to put a negative spin on it IF he were trying to troll? 

Apparently stealth-trolling these days is defined as leaving an article out in the open and allow the members to put a negative spin on it. That makes no sense. The article was neutral. It wasn't pro or anti MS. It was just a piece of info. And is it not ironic the people who detected the "anti-MS" attitude in it were in fact, not the anti-MS guys, but the pro-MS guys?

Admit it: if a pro-MS guy delivered it, you wouldn't be having this argument. It's always how we view other people, it's always shooting the messenger, isn't it? Paranoia about alignment makes you think that if someone is for another console they always try to demean the other, even by the most SIMPLE act of posting an article that wasn't even negative and didn't even ATTEMPT to put a negative spin on it.

So what's the problem? There is no stealth-trolling, you guys just don't want negative news to be posted by fans of another console because, for some reason, that's considered "stealth-trolling."

The same thing happens in all 3 forums whenever there is news that some view as negative.



Kissinger said:
dtewi said:

So, what have we here.

Apparently it has just been decided that if you're pro-PS3, you can't deliver MS articles, be they neutral or negative, as it can be construed that the messenger is stealth-trolling the system. If you're pro one system, you can't give news from another.

That's the basic message people are saying.

Though I don't see what the problem is. 

News is news. It gets delivered. The only problem people have with this thread is the messenger. Now put on your thinking caps. If MUGEN was trying to troll, would he really just leave the article? Would he not also try to put a negative spin on it IF he were trying to troll? 

Apparently stealth-trolling these days is defined as leaving an article out in the open and allow the members to put a negative spin on it. That makes no sense. The article was neutral. It wasn't pro or anti MS. It was just a piece of info. And is it not ironic the people who detected the "anti-MS" attitude in it were in fact, not the anti-MS guys, but the pro-MS guys?

Admit it: if a pro-MS guy delivered it, you wouldn't be having this argument. It's always how we view other people, it's always shooting the messenger, isn't it? Paranoia about alignment makes you think that if someone is for another console they always try to demean the other, even by the most SIMPLE act of posting an article that wasn't even negative and didn't even ATTEMPT to put a negative spin on it.

So what's the problem? There is no stealth-trolling, you guys just don't want negative news to be posted by fans of another console because, for some reason, that's considered "stealth-trolling."

The same thing happens in all 3 forums whenever there is news that some view as negative.

.......

I'm not saying it doesn't.....



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

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The Kinect has outsold every PS3 exclusive but one, MS is trying to push the platform so Kinect games will be the priority.  The core 360 is established already...too many exclusives just floods the market and would hurt their own sales.



From some time back I had the feeling that Micro wanted Kinect to be a hit so that they could have a platform with its own properties that could hardly be imitated by the other consoles. This way they would produce software that by its own nature would force exclusivity and would save them the trouble of buying time exclusives and so forth. I want Natal to be a hit so that this becomes Micro's focus, as motion has been Nintendo's.



Nintendo is selling their IPs to Microsoft and this is true because:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=221391&page=1

AbbathTheGrim said:

From some time back I had the feeling that Micro wanted Kinect to be a hit so that they could have a platform with its own properties that could hardly be imitated by the other consoles. This way they would produce software that by its own nature would force exclusivity and would save them the trouble of buying time exclusives and so forth. I want Natal to be a hit so that this becomes Micro's focus, as motion has been Nintendo's.


I personally don't. The amount of shovelware games I've seen from Wii with the exceptional titles few and inbetween(This holiday season exception), if Kinect becomes the primary focus, the majority of investment that could have gone into securing first party studious such as 343 industries, Epic etc etc will instead go into forming studious primarily for Kinect, although I agree that by creating a new and innovative product they can now build their studios from ground up and invest alot less, but it would have been nice to see some more new first party IP's next year, fully exclusive, none of that "wait a year" crap.



Disconnect and self destruct, one bullet a time.

Is it 2008 all over again?



Above: still the best game of the year.

Seece said:
Euphoria14 said:

So what have we learned today?

#1.) If you post anything negative it makes you a hater. Negative news should always be ignored.

#2.) If you don't like Kinect it makes you a hater who doesn't own a 360. All 360 owners love Kinect.

 

I learned a lot today. Merry Christmas.

Not at all, it always amuses me how pro PS3/fans always post negative news as if they're concerned though ^^


So you think the OP is negative news? Interesting.

 Now if the quote from the OP :

"...They're [already] buying it, but we've got a line-up of Kinect games that will blow people away."

 is referring to there is a bomb planted in every Kinect ready to go off next year I can see how this is negative news.