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Aielyn said:

 


It's actually far more... complicated... than that. Just because you don't understand why a company would sabotage their own games, doesn't mean there's no reason for them to do so.

In microeconomics, there's a concept called complements. Two products are complements if reducing the price of one increases the demand for the other (thereby allowing the price of it to be raised). Read This to get a good idea of this concept. That link also explains that, when one wishes to maximise the demand, one tries to turn the complement into a commodity.

For something to be a commodity, it needs to be something that is fairly standardised, following a simple path of price reducing and power increasing. Now, the complement for videogames are the gaming consoles themselves. As such, third parties want the gaming consoles to be commoditised, thereby minimising the cost of the consoles, which would increase the demand for games.

But when a particular product distinguishes itself, it works against commoditisation. Nintendo's consoles and handhelds have always had strong product differentiation, through Nintendo's first-party content. But with the Wii, Nintendo took it one step further, going low-power and adding a completely new control scheme. Nintendo has been eschewing the standards in favour of maximising product differentiation. This causes the price of Nintendo hardware to remain high (note that the Wii price has held almost stationary, while the 360 and PS3 keep reducing in price and having all sorts of things added). On the other hand, the 360 and PS3 are pretty much standardised.

And so, third parties want to maximise demand for games, and thus want gaming consoles to be commoditised. This puts them at odds with Nintendo, who wants to maximise demand for their gaming console. Note that if Nintendo did as third parties want, and dropped the price, the net impact would be less profit for Nintendo, and more for third parties.

Note that neither Sony nor MS mind their consoles being commoditised. I mean, they're even willing to sell things under cost price in order to maximise install base. This is because gaming consoles are not their core businesses. Indeed, gaming consoles are complements to both MS's and Sony's core businesses, so they have cause to sell at lower prices, and have their consoles become commodities.

So in the end, it's not the Wii's "weakness" or uniqueness that is driving away third parties. It's the fact that Nintendo wants to make a profit in consoles, since it's their core business.

Nintendo bypassed this problem in the NES/SNES era by being rather draconic with third parties, and Sega did the same thing, since they also had consoles as their core business. When Sony came along, they were happy to commoditise their console, so third parties rushed to the PS.

Lesson: Never assume that things are simple cases of "what makes the most profit now?"

This is one of the best posts I've seen on these boards in a long, long while.

Werekitten's post was pretty insightful, too.



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"If you wanna play Dead Space so bad there are other options."

We want EA to get their heads out of their ****. That is a huge difference.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

BTW, it could just be blanket stupidity on developer's parts. Werekitten seems to like cherry picking facts to make the anti Wii stance viable.

And if you think they can't just be dumb in massive numbers, look at the US auto industry in the 70s and 80s versus Japan. You can see the same stupidity by companies there as in here.

Hanlon'z Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

davidd_err18 said:
gumby_trucker said:
davidd_err18 said:
RolStoppable said:

Because EA missed the Wii and to convince investors that they made the right decision by doing that, they had to sabotage many of their Wii games to make them sell less than they could potentially have.

Dead Space Extraction is a prime example of this as before its release EA openly said that it was a test to see how such games sell on the Wii. While at first most suspected this was just said to trick Wii owners in buying the game in order to support mature hardcore games on the Wii, it's pretty clear by now that it actually was a message to investors to pay close attention to this game's sales. And just like that, DSE now serves as EA's ultimate excuse to not have to bother with serious Wii support anymore.


But Why EA does that? Also their Hot Pursiut game is crap on the Wii, and great on iOs :/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgX9hoDq_ww      iPhone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6tUt_vB0aU        Wii

 

:/


this thread is making me sad :(

I know, me too :( i have a Wii and an iPhone 4, and i know the Wii is capable of more, i just bought Donkey Kong and i had a blast with it, but I see this kind of stuff and it makes me sick :P. EA just plain suckkkk, have they had any good game on the wii?

I will contend that boom blox bash party is a great game!...but had a bad marketing strategy with 'party' included in the title.



LordTheNightKnight said:

BTW, it could just be blanket stupidity on developer's parts. Werekitten seems to like cherry picking facts to make the anti Wii stance viable.

And if you think they can't just be dumb in massive numbers, look at the US auto industry in the 70s and 80s versus Japan. You can see the same stupidity by companies there as in here.

Hanlon'z Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Not malice though, survival. Spite the Wii to have an effective scapegoat to show to your investors so they don't demand your head on a pike (proverbially, anyway)



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Mr Khan said:
LordTheNightKnight said:

BTW, it could just be blanket stupidity on developer's parts. Werekitten seems to like cherry picking facts to make the anti Wii stance viable.

And if you think they can't just be dumb in massive numbers, look at the US auto industry in the 70s and 80s versus Japan. You can see the same stupidity by companies there as in here.

Hanlon'z Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Not malice though, survival. Spite the Wii to have an effective scapegoat to show to your investors so they don't demand your head on a pike (proverbially, anyway)


Still stupid, because a more effective method would be to put good teams on the Wii, instead of making it clear the Wii was getting the hand me downs. Then the investors would accept better late than never.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

@Mr. Khan  i think the Soul Calibur thing was a little something done on the side by Sony since Kratos is in it and that is a SOny character. Ninty consoles have not been known for fighting games anyway, not since SNES days

@lordtheknight If EA havent done it by now, they are not going to do it. These companies dont have a infinite amount of dev teams, they are going to put their best teams on the PS360/PC thats how they have been doing and I dont think its going to change. Im not trying to make it excuses and it sucks if your a Wii only owner but thats the way it is, nothing any of us can do will change that



oniyide said:

@Mr. Khan  i think the Soul Calibur thing was a little something done on the side by Sony since Kratos is in it and that is a SOny character. Ninty consoles have not been known for fighting games anyway, not since SNES days

@lordtheknight If EA havent done it by now, they are not going to do it. These companies dont have a infinite amount of dev teams, they are going to put their best teams on the PS360/PC thats how they have been doing and I dont think its going to change. Im not trying to make it excuses and it sucks if your a Wii only owner but thats the way it is, nothing any of us can do will change that

....?

N64? Killer Instinct Gold? MK Trilogy/4? All the awesome wrestling games?

Link in Soul Calibur II? The highest selling FIGHTER ever, Super Smash Bros. Brawl? Geez man.



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@Savior x    Killer Instinct wasnt all that, MK trilogy multiplat, wrestling games are sports games  Soul Calibur 2 multiplat  Smash Bros not a serious figther.  Lets get real here, where are the Street Fighters?? If your console has no street fighter then most serious fighting game fans are not going to take it seriously. PSP has a street fighter, freaking gameboy had a street fighter. 

Oh yeah Wii has Tvs. C thats start.  My point is that NInty fighting offerings PALE in comparision to the competition. its been like that since N64



LordTheNightKnight said:

BTW, it could just be blanket stupidity on developer's parts. Werekitten seems to like cherry picking facts to make the anti Wii stance viable.

And if you think they can't just be dumb in massive numbers, look at the US auto industry in the 70s and 80s versus Japan. You can see the same stupidity by companies there as in here.

Hanlon'z Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.


So Nintendo have no fault at all in their relationship with 3rd parties? Its always somebody else's fault, isn't it. Even the marvelous Malstrom admits that Nintendo makes mistakes, do you seriously not see the incredible naivety in assuming a huge company to always be infallible?