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Wii is still winning in this holiday sales even after 4 years old



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Metallicube said:
thx1139 said:

Dont want to speak for Kowenicki, but I believe this thread came about because in the Amercas and Weekly thead people start saying Kinect software sales arent good.  So to prove a point I believe Kowenicki put this thread together and it proves the point. Kinect software and hardware sales are doing very well.

I must be missing something. I fail to see how ANYONE can possibly view those Kinect games sales as good. Take out Kinect Adventures (which you need buy in order to purchase a Kinect), you have a whopping TWO titles that have passed the million mark. Most titles will struggle to even reach the 500k mark. The Udraw games have sold more than most of those Kinect games. You have 3 Kinect games in the top 50 this week. 0 in the top ten of NPd. And this is all during the strength of the holiday season, when everything is lifted.

So what this means is that people are buying the hardware, but its games are selling. Sooner of later, something will have to give, and the Kinect hardware sales will be lowered to be more in line with the software sales, because like consoles, the main reason for Kinect's existance is the software. Unless killer aps start coming out next year, Kinect sales will fall. I don't mean this to sound harsh or anything, I'm just stating the reality of the situation, which Kinect supporters don't seem to want to see.

The install base if 4 million so if you expect COD numbers you're just being daft, the games have a great attach ratio to hardware and are showing legs.

Next you fail to realize that MS is making money on each Kinect sold. This is why they made the Kinect hackable to the pc market. Every Kinect sold, regardless of whether it is being used with a 360 or PC is making them money.

You have been called out before on your irrational hatred and trolling of Kinect, I don't see why a grown man is so threatened by an electronic device. Whatever if it makes you feel better to downplay Kinect then go ahead.



                                           

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RolStoppable said:
kowenicki said:
RolStoppable said:
kowenicki said:

you see...... this is what we are up against and this is one of the reasons for this thread

the lack of coherent thought here is staggering.

the installl base of KInect is 4m! and you expect it to have games in the top 10 of NPD? (in November the install base was less than 2m)

THINK!

Did the Wii have a game in the top 10 of NPD for November 2006?

I have no idea...  go look.

Top 10 Games

360 Gears of War - Microsoft 1mm units $61.5mm (Includes Collectors's Edition ) 
PS2 Final Fantasy XII - Square Enix 896K units $49mm 
Wii Legend of Zelda - NOA 412K units $20.2mm 
Guitar Hero 2 w/ Guitar - Activision 356K units $28mm 
WWE Smackdown vs. Raw 2007 - THQ 348K units $17.3mm 
360 Call of Duty 3 - Activision 333K units $19.7mm 
PS2 Madden NFL 2007 - EA 250K units $9.7mm 
PS2 Need for Speed: Carbon - EA 237K units $9.4mm 
NDS Nintendogs: Dalmation & Friends - NOA 219K units $6.5mm 
NDS Pokemon Ranger - NOA 206K units $6.4mm

Wii -- 476K

There you go. It's possible with an installed base like Kinect's to have a title in the top 10.

That is one of Nintendo's biggest franchises. If MS/Sony released a Halo/GT as a launch title for their next console you can be sure it would be in the top ten too.

Kinect doesn't really have a killer app yet.



                                           

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wow this thread is really bringing out the maniacal legions scared of kinect.

i have never seen so much hatred for 1 product in my life.  Ever since kinect was announced the haters have been out in full force trying to destroy it. 

it is really mind boggling that certain people from sony and nintendo want kinect to fail more than they want their consoles of choice to succeed. 

What is the result of all this kinect hatred?  The fastest selling gadget of all time...that's what!

A sad commentary on today's state of gaming indeed.  Speaks volumes though



PizzaFaceGamer said:

wow this thread is really bringing out the maniacal legions scared of kinect.

i have never seen so much hatred for 1 product in my life.  Ever since kinect was announced the haters have been out in full force trying to destroy it. 

it is really mind boggling that certain people from sony and nintendo want kinect to fail more than they want their consoles of choice to succeed. 

What is the result of all this kinect hatred?  The fastest selling gadget of all time...that's what!

A sad commentary on today's state of gaming indeed.  Speaks volumes though

Wow, do you see only what you want to see or what? Have you seen the Wii in the past few months? And honestly, give me 5 people in this thread that said that criticized Kinect without saying that the comparison is wrong or something along those lines and I'll be impressed.



 

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kowenicki said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
kowenicki said:

It speaks volumes that the vast majority of people really trying to wrestle this thread to the floor are Wii owners.

why is that?  whats the problem?

And trying to compare the wm add on or wii balance board to what kinect is about doesnt wash for me.

You really want somebody to answer these questions with something like "Well the problem with Nintendo fans is that..." ?

 

Yes Kinect is a huge success.  Nobody's denying that.  But it's standing on Nintendo's shoulders.  MS waited for Nintendo to carve out this market, and then they dumped in somebody else's tech (after both Nintendo and Sony turned it down) and a ton of marketing money.  It wasn't even risky.  It made perfect sense.  So as a Nintendo fan, it's like "hurray for competition!" but at the same time, "come on guys, can we put some effort into the software?  It's 2010.  You're not competing with Rayman Raving Rabbids, Super Monkey Ball, and Excite Truck anymore.  You're competing with Wii Fit and Wii Sports Resort."

Why do you think Wii Fit and Wii Sports Resort aren't comparable to Kinect?  They both use system-exclusive peripherals launched years after their initial console launch, neither of them launched anywhere near Black Friday and Christmas, and are the 11th and 12th best-selling games of all time.  Both peripherals have had other games launched later on.  The only difference is that Nintendo advertised the software instead of the hardware, instead of calling them "new platform launches."


some contradictions there... some inaccuracies... some spin and some odd choice of words.

And you fell into the same trap as everyone else..

"yeah its great sales... BUT"

Any "buts" are utterly irrelevant in this discussion...  Its only about sales.

Some condescension... some refusal to engage in actual debate of points made in quoted post... some refusal to clarify point specifically asked about...

And yet I am brushed off as I have lost an argument.

Well, good luck with this thread I guess.



Nintendogamer said:
fwap said:

It's funny how we can't compare handheld consoles against home consoles, but we can compare peripherals against home consoles.


I dont' see how kinect is a platform sicne you need the 360 to power it up, aka add-on.


Whether it is or isn't the numbers are still very impressive.



kowenicki said:
HKN said:

Uncomparable , you cannot compare new systems to new add ons.



I dont agree.

Kinect is a platform.


Oh i see now. This is a joke thread.



silicon said:
kowenicki said:
HKN said:

Uncomparable , you cannot compare new systems to new add ons.



I dont agree.

Kinect is a platform.


Oh i see now. This is a joke thread.

It became one once you entered.



The more it sells the more chance a game comes out for it I might actually be interested in. Something like heavy rain with kung fu live style action sequences will do.

It should be able to catch ps2 eyetoy (10.5m total) next christmas.