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bannedagain on 20 December 2010
Viper1 said:
bannedagain said:
Viper1 said:

Do you see anything in my post stating he can't compare them?  No.  You see me elaborating on the classification issue that was being debated.

As for being peanut gallery, I'm in the industry and believe I've earned my right to speak my opinions...just as much as anyone else has.  Nor do you see anything in my post complaining about anything.  I'm stating facts.  Facts aren't complaints.

What have I contributed?  Try page 1 where I make the first real contribution to the thread notating the DS had a better launch as was querried by the thread starter.

 

So before you get banned again, read the posts better, make your debate points better and pick your fights better.


Kinect is a major success and the way you word it is words from a biased persons point of view or  just strait jealousy.

It is a major success and should be recognized as so.  So your stealthiness Is fine and all but we see what your doing.

So I guess you missed my post further up when I said Kinect launch is a success?   And it seems you have no interest in comprehending what I'm telling you since you're suggesting my posts are hedged jealousy instead of the actual purpose being that of informing the facts regarding classification.   

Do you really need to validate your purchase so much that you'll continually makes illogical claims and infer erroneous information about my posts?   Are you that insecure?  Nothing in any of my posts, aside from stating the launch was a success, speaks of any subjectivity.  It speaks a lot when a Kinect apologist takes the posts from someone who sided with them regarding the success of the product and tries to make it out to be a negative slight against it.  You do yourself and other Kinect fans no favors by continuing your line of debate.



doesn't stop the fact that u are trying to downplay it.

you said :

Kinect, Move, WM , Wii Balance Board, PS Eye...all fall into the same category whether we like that or not.

This not a matter of debate or semantics, it's fact.   You may not like it and feel Kinect deserves special recognition but it doesn't given the classification of the type of hardware product that Kinect is.

 



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Viper1 on 20 December 2010
bannedagain said:
Viper1 said:
bannedagain said:
Viper1 said:

Do you see anything in my post stating he can't compare them?  No.  You see me elaborating on the classification issue that was being debated.

As for being peanut gallery, I'm in the industry and believe I've earned my right to speak my opinions...just as much as anyone else has.  Nor do you see anything in my post complaining about anything.  I'm stating facts.  Facts aren't complaints.

What have I contributed?  Try page 1 where I make the first real contribution to the thread notating the DS had a better launch as was querried by the thread starter.

 

So before you get banned again, read the posts better, make your debate points better and pick your fights better.


Kinect is a major success and the way you word it is words from a biased persons point of view or  just strait jealousy.

It is a major success and should be recognized as so.  So your stealthiness Is fine and all but we see what your doing.

So I guess you missed my post further up when I said Kinect launch is a success?   And it seems you have no interest in comprehending what I'm telling you since you're suggesting my posts are hedged jealousy instead of the actual purpose being that of informing the facts regarding classification.   

Do you really need to validate your purchase so much that you'll continually makes illogical claims and infer erroneous information about my posts?   Are you that insecure?  Nothing in any of my posts, aside from stating the launch was a success, speaks of any subjectivity.  It speaks a lot when a Kinect apologist takes the posts from someone who sided with them regarding the success of the product and tries to make it out to be a negative slight against it.  You do yourself and other Kinect fans no favors by continuing your line of debate.



doesn't stop the fact that u are trying to downplay it.

you said :

Kinect, Move, WM , Wii Balance Board, PS Eye...all fall into the same category whether we like that or not.

This not a matter of debate or semantics, it's fact.   You may not like it and feel Kinect deserves special recognition but it doesn't given the classification of the type of hardware product that Kinect is.

 

Which goes back to this line, "And it seems you have no interest in comprehending what I'm telling you."

That statement I made has no relavence to the success of Kinect at all.  I'm referring to the product's classification as a platform extending peripheral rather than a standalone accountable console as some were trying to suggest it as.



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DirtyP2002 on 20 December 2010

I really think some people would cut their left arm before they admit Kinect is a success.

5, maybe 6 million in less than 2 months and we still have people in doubts. I will get at least 2 Kinect games in 2011 (Rise of Nightmares and Project Draco - ) and I think those hardocre titles might sell Kinect to a new audience and maybe even in japan. All of the core titles are Japanese and after I saw that Dance Masters (NOT Dance Central) was the best selling Kinect-title in Japan, because it was published by Konami I think these titles might move some sensors as well.



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huaxiong90 on 20 December 2010

And the blind assumptions keep coming.

Was the thread nitpicked to death? Definitely. But where's this group that's saying it isn't a success?



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Kojima: Come out with Project S already!

huaxiong90 on 20 December 2010
kowenicki said:
huaxiong90 said:

And the blind assumptions keep coming.

Was the thread nitpicked to death? Definitely. But where's this group that's saying it isn't a success?



All good clean fun though.... mostly. 

Haha, I suppose.



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snfr on 20 December 2010
huaxiong90 said:

And the blind assumptions keep coming.

Was the thread nitpicked to death? Definitely. But where's this group that's saying it isn't a success?

I'd like to know that too. I still haven't found these people who seem to believe that it isn't a success...

Some in here seem to assume that treating Kinect not as a platform is automatically the same as calling Kinect not a success.



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Reasonable on 20 December 2010
snfr said:
huaxiong90 said:

And the blind assumptions keep coming.

Was the thread nitpicked to death? Definitely. But where's this group that's saying it isn't a success?

I'd like to know that too. I still haven't found these people who seem to believe that it isn't a success...

Some in here seem to assume that treating Kinect not as a platform is automatically the same as calling Kinect not a success.


Nobody's not saying it's a success I can see.  Two points are being called into question:

1 - can you count all Kinect sales - i.e. as a standalone and a bundle vs launch sales of Wii, etc. where there was no install base?  I'm in the no camp as noted as that isn't a fair apples to apples comparison.

2 - is Kinect a platform in its own right?  again some are arguing no with for the most part fair comments.  I'd say not yet, and no more than Move is (or even Wii).  Kinect extends 360 but isn't a platform in its own right and I doubt ever will be on 360.

But yeah, the usual crowd (to be fair they have matching counterparts on PS3/Wii side) see anything other than unabashed glowing comments as saying Kinect isn't a success.



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snfr on 20 December 2010
Reasonable said:
snfr said:
huaxiong90 said:

And the blind assumptions keep coming.

Was the thread nitpicked to death? Definitely. But where's this group that's saying it isn't a success?

I'd like to know that too. I still haven't found these people who seem to believe that it isn't a success...

Some in here seem to assume that treating Kinect not as a platform is automatically the same as calling Kinect not a success.


Nobody's not saying it's a success I can see.  Two points are being called into question:

1 - can you count all Kinect sales - i.e. as a standalone and a bundle vs launch sales of Wii, etc. where there was no install base?  I'm in the no camp as noted as that isn't a fair apples to apples comparison.

2 - is Kinect a platform in its own right?  again some are arguing no with for the most part fair comments.  I'd say not yet, and no more than Move is (or even Wii).  Kinect extends 360 but isn't a platform in its own right and I doubt ever will be on 360.

But yeah, the usual crowd (to be fair they have matching counterparts on PS3/Wii side) see anything other than unabashed glowing comments as saying Kinect isn't a success.

Well I agree. Nobody denied that Kinect is a success (I already said that with my first post in here yesterday), but there are those two points which you already mentioned, that are discussed here. Kinect is a huge success but these points are absolutely justified. I wouldn't consider it a platform (for the reasons I listed in my first post) and comparing it to the Wii is not fair either.

As huaxiong90 already said, these are blind assumptions that there are people who don't admit that it is a success.



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snfr on 20 December 2010
kowenicki said:
snfr said:

Well I agree. Nobody denied that Kinect is a success (I already said that with my first post in here yesterday), but there are those two points which you already mentioned, that are discussed here. Kinect is a huge success but these points are absolutely justified. I wouldn't consider it a platform (for the reasons I listed in my first post) and comparing it to the Wii is not fair either.

As huaxiong90 already said, these are blind assumptions that there are people who don't admit that it is a success.


Well this thread was actually started in direct repsonse to a thread (which was locked) and some comments in the sales threads stating exactly that.  Dont restrict your search to this thread.

Well, what should we do now? Searching through many threads so that this "some people deny that Kinect is a success" argument is justified? I think we have all better things to do than doing this.

For the platform issue, as I said before: a comparison with WM Plus, the Balance Board or Move would also show that it is a success. The mistake you simply made in here was to call it a platform (and there isn't really a reason to call it a platform).



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