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optoma1990 on 18 December 2010

Kinect is an addon end of can it be used without an xbox? no hence a better comaprison would be with wii motion plus. This thing is gonna bomb so badly after new year it will be hilarious when people see the games are just crap I havent touched any of them since a week after buying one very over rated IMHO and as it doesnt have any classic Nintendo gameplay at all it def won't be used for a long time to come



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qmoney88 on 18 December 2010
Viper1 said:
qmoney88 said:
Viper1 said:
qmoney88 said:

Ive come to the conclusion that we are going to have to agree to disagree, I will ammend my previous post by saying that I view Kinect as a platform within a platform, much like steam is to the pc just much more watered down as the kinect simply has games made for it, but you get what I mean.  Im done with this though, almost pointless apparently.

Steam is a content delivery platform.  But it delivers practically the same content as the retail content whihc in turn is utilized on the same device platform...the PC itself.  

Steam is not an add-on like Kinect.  A PC add-on would be...well, Kinect on PC.

But heres the catch, without a pc, could you use steam?

Without an X360, could you use Kinect?

Without a Wii, could you use a Wii Balance Board? 
Without a PS3, could you use Move?
Without a PS2, could you use Eye Toy?
Without a Sega Genesis, could you use Sega CD?
Without an N64, could you use a Nintendo 64 DD?

Im not understanding how thats helping your stance at all, I could say that about anything that exists, I was simply stating that I see kinect as a platform within a platform simply because it is not designed to deliver a single experience or is limited to a particular genre, rather it is a platform that allows devs the ability to create a varied lineup of software much like the sega cd, 64 dd, move etc.  Then again, I do see where youre coming from in a sense that every game requires an input device, but my argument is the versatility of things such as the kinect and move versus, lets say, a guitar hero guitar since they are only used for rythym based games.  And here I am again, defending my stance on the issue even though I said I wouldnt.  Im done with this, dont quote me because I wont respond, were not gonna get anywhere with this.



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qmoney88 on 18 December 2010
Kasz216 said:
qmoney88 said:
Viper1 said:
qmoney88 said:

Ive come to the conclusion that we are going to have to agree to disagree, I will ammend my previous post by saying that I view Kinect as a platform within a platform, much like steam is to the pc just much more watered down as the kinect simply has games made for it, but you get what I mean.  Im done with this though, almost pointless apparently.

Steam is a content delivery platform.  But it delivers practically the same content as the retail content whihc in turn is utilized on the same device platform...the PC itself.  

Steam is not an add-on like Kinect.  A PC add-on would be...well, Kinect on PC.

But heres the catch, without a pc, could you use steam?  Thats the point I was making, a platform within a platform.

Yes.


Lol I apologize for my error... forgive me...



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Viper1 on 18 December 2010
qmoney88 said:
Kasz216 said:
qmoney88 said:

But heres the catch, without a pc, could you use steam?  Thats the point I was making, a platform within a platform.

Yes.


Lol I apologize for my error... forgive me...





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huaxiong90 on 18 December 2010
reidlosdog said:
huaxiong90 said:

I am laughing so hard as I read through this thread.

I knew there would be epic debates once Kinect launched (regardless of how it performed), but this is overkill.


I thought the same thing.

We can't even get to the topic at hand, sales figures, because there is such a large user base on the internet that hates everything the other user base is doing well at.  If I remember correctly, Wii recieved these same critics.

"The Wii isn't a video game console.  Waving your arms around like an idiot isn't playing video games.  It's being an idiot."

I understand that this argument has not been presented often here on this thread, but none the less the questioning of the Wii's exact nature was brought forth.

The Kinect is a new platform in my opinion.  You need to have Kinect with the 360, yes, but a lot of people are buying the 360 because of the Kinect.  In the "Kinect reaches 4,000,000 worldwide" article from VG, they state that 50 percent of sales for the 360 are coming from the Kinect bundle.

That's getting close to half of sales.  Interesting stuff there.

My main point is, when a add-on becomes just as important as the platform, it is a platform in my eyes.  But the technical definition will always be that the Kinect is a add-on. 

A good question, will the Kinect interfere with 3DS sales, or vice-verse?  Really, they are both very interesting techonologies.

And that, unfortunately, is the problem here. It's a matter of semantics on what kind of device you define Kinect as. I'm on the same boat as Zucas. Right now, Kinect is sort of a hybrid between a home console, and an add-on, like the instruments for Rock Band/Guitar Hero, Wii Fit, etc. Reason for this is, the software library isn't varied or big enough, and all the early adopters seem to be going with Kinect Adventures! the most. Once Kinect has a more varied software exclusive to it (meaning, the game requires Kinect) under its wings, it could be considered a platform. But until then, it's open for debate.

But I can agree with your point regarding how Kinect bundle is pushing half of the 360's sales.

Frankly, I think the OP should've just made comparisons while leaving out the note of Kinect being a platform, or the sort, and then give a prediction on how sales will hold up in the future, so as to avoid these kind of pointless debates.



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Games4Fun on 18 December 2010
Jadedx said:

Is Kinect a success?  Yes

Will Sony and Nintendo fanboys admit it? No

 

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Being many have already called it sells good makes your statement void before you even typed it. Your doing exactly what Viper was talking about earlier in the thread. Trying to make a debate out of something that just isnt there. You all really that bored?

The debate in the thread is actually about whether or not it is correct to compare it to what it got compared it to. Which really who cares? Most people just defend what they want no matter what in those kinds of topics. The other debate is well what you just posted. Read the thread even at just the start. Very few are saying its sales are bad. In fact, most are saying they are good. If your going to generalize on something make it at least a majority of something people are doing. Not when very few are with most agreeing with the fact it is doing well.



Alby_da_Wolf on 18 December 2010
fwap said:
nightsurge said:

Wow, some people.

Kinect is a platform.  The games are separate from standard 360 games, they REQUIRE Kinect to play their games and you CAN'T play Kinect games without a Kinect device.

Now instead of griping over what you feel or don't feel is considered a platform, how about you comment on the actual figures themselves?  He is free to make any comparison that he wishes and I think it seems some of you can't get past a single word.

Would you rather he put best "hardware" launch ever? Or even "gaming hardware" or "motion platform"?

Stop derailing a perfectly reasonable thread, it's against the rules.  Perhaps you can have a mod clear up these off topic, irrelevant posts?

OT:  That really is impressive.  It does show the haters that Kinect is moving plenty of software given its age and current userbase.  Great thread.


Let's get this straight. The Move/Kinect/Wii Remote are not platforms. Needing one to play a motion game on either the PS3/360/Wii does not make them a platform, and does not make them hardware. They are peripherals. They are motion devices that allow you to play motion games on your platform/hardware of choice.

Talking about Kinect sales is fine, so long as they aren't being flounted as anything that they aren't. Don't come in here pre-emptively crying "DERAILMENT!" when all that is being pointed out is that a comparison with console hardware is redundant.

Kinect could be a platform on another platform... Something like stacked furniture, to roughly schematize it...   



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Darth Tigris on 18 December 2010
Viper1 said:
Darth Tigris said:
Viper1 said:
Psyberius said:

 Wii Fit has absolutely NOTHING in common with Kinect.


Actually, they are both platform extending peripherals.  Their method of input being different aside, they are the same thing categorically. 

 

Seems the only people in denial here are those that think Kinect is something more than a peripheral to an established console platform.

Wii Fit is a GAME.  Kinect is a CONSOLE EXTENSION.  

Wii Fit (Balance Board) is more like Guitar Hero (Guitar) or Tony Hawk Ride (Skateboard).  Kinect is more like Sega CD or 32X.

No.  They are not the same thing.  The more people promote this, the more the mods are going to take notice and it'll hopefully get added to 'the list'.

Wii Fit is not the only title supported by the Wii Balance Board so your agurment is invalid.  I already stated there are over 40 titles with Wii Balance Board support. 

The mods will not take notice to something that infactual.  It will not be added to the list of actual consoles.
http://www.vgchartz.com/hardware_totals.php
Do you see the Guitar Hero guitars, Tony Hawk Skateboard, Move, Wii Balance Board, 32X or Sega CD on this list anywhere?   Then don't get your hopes up for Kinect appearing anytime soon.

Again, you completely miss the point.  

People didn't by the Balance Board because of the wonderful ways it would extend the Wii.  Nor did they buy a Guitar Hero Guitar for all of the wonderful game experiences it would open up for the 360 or PS3.  They bought it for A SPECIFIC GAME.  Sure, other games may support the peripheral, but its intention is for THAT game.

Kinect, like the 32X and Sega CD attempted (much less successfully, of course), isn't about people wanting to play Kinect Adventures.  Its about them wanting to play Kinect games.  Just like the Sega CD and 32X weren't about any game in particular but the potential of the add-on.

Why is this so hard for people to see?  Are you all really so caught up with demeaning Kinect that a simple, rational concept like this would come off as support for Kinect or something???  Some of you really confound me ...



optoma1990 on 18 December 2010

and just like the 32x and segacd it will end up in the bargain basement very soon! By the way cant remember either 32x or segacd having their own hardware totals anywhere they were all bundled under the genesis tag



BradyBunch80 on 18 December 2010

interesting figures,  at the very least the OP has made it difficult for anyone to hint that Kinect is a failure



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