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Conegamer on 17 December 2010
Immortal said:

Honestly. it depends on the specific genre/game. To say that Wii can or cannot sell "core" or "mature" games is stupid. If every CoD game till the last one has been handicapped on the Wii, obviously the CoD fanbase will be on PS360. All those small new IPs, if they're not attempting to directly steal from a PS360 fanbase, will almost certainly sell better on Wii than on the PS3 or 360, simply because of the larger base.

And they'll definitely make more profit.

Did you even read my OP? 

If so;

I agree with you to an extent. However, what is a "core" game anyway? It all comes down to what gamers view it as, TBF. I'd count brawl, Galaxy, DKCR et al as "core" games, but modern gamers don't se it this way due it not having guns and going "pew pew"

Maybe someone needs to develop what on earth "hardcore" actually is

Hmm...

*scribbles down in ideas pad for new thread"

If not;

Read the OP. Then maybe you'll realise that what I'm saying is games tend to sell worse on the PS360 then the wii. 

It's called this; after all, it is "against the grain"!



 

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Conegamer on 17 December 2010
Beuli2 said:
Conegamer said:
Beuli2 said:

Happy games with mushrooms and clouds with smiley faces are enough for me.

Above: Beuli2 likes happy games, although one Metroid Prime here or a COD there are good too.

I'll keep this in mind for my next thread

Although, WHERE WAS YOUR SCORE?

...or have you abolished it after my previous instalment

This thread doesn't need a score. You'll need to improve 10 over this to even have a score.

Bit rough...I thought this was my best one yet, and other people seem to agree...

CURSE YOU AND YOUR UNPREDICTABLE SCORING! YOU SHOU;DN'T BE ON METACRITIC OR GAMERANKINGS!

*AHEM*

Well, it looks as though a planned 5-part series will have to be extended. Thanks Beuli



 

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Gojimaster on 17 December 2010

Honestly, I tend to buy most of my mature/hardcore games on 360 or PS3 as opposed to Wii.  I enjoy Wii for Nintendo 1st party games, for party games like Just Dance, and for other niche games like Zach and Wiki that can't be found elsewhere.

For other games I like to see pretty HD graphics, superior online play, and more DLC options.  Most hardcore games have an element that pushes technology-- I simply can't play a game like ME2, Uncharted 2, GOW3, or Red Dead Redemption on the Wii.  The Wii simply cannot run a game like that.  Since there are so many great hardcore games on HD consoles right now, I never even consider buying hardcore games like Madworld, Red Steel 2, and No More Heroes 2 which are vastly inferior to what can be found on an HD console.  I would never even consider playing CoD on the Wii since the graphics and online are going to be so scaled back compared to the version I play on 360. 

My dream is that I can one day play all my favorite Nintendo and hardcore games all on 1 console again.  This dream probably won't happen anytime soon though. 



 

Most anticipated games of 2011:

Uncharted 3,Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword, Rocksmith

Modern Warfare 3, Super Mario 3D

 

Immortal on 17 December 2010
Conegamer said:
Immortal said:

Honestly. it depends on the specific genre/game. To say that Wii can or cannot sell "core" or "mature" games is stupid. If every CoD game till the last one has been handicapped on the Wii, obviously the CoD fanbase will be on PS360. All those small new IPs, if they're not attempting to directly steal from a PS360 fanbase, will almost certainly sell better on Wii than on the PS3 or 360, simply because of the larger base.

And they'll definitely make more profit.

Did you even read my OP? 

If so;

I agree with you to an extent. However, what is a "core" game anyway? It all comes down to what gamers view it as, TBF. I'd count brawl, Galaxy, DKCR et al as "core" games, but modern gamers don't se it this way due it not having guns and going "pew pew"

Maybe someone needs to develop what on earth "hardcore" actually is

Hmm...

*scribbles down in ideas pad for new thread"

If not;

Read the OP. Then maybe you'll realise that what I'm saying is games tend to sell worse on the PS360 then the wii. 

It's called this; after all, it is "against the grain"!


Well, I did. I was just adding more stuff randomly, :P. I'm serious, xD.

I was just supporting your OP because a lot of people may not find games that sell as little as under 100k proof.

Oh, and that's what I think too, but the reason the term was basically coined this generation was because, well...

"Core game, as opposed to Wii game"



 

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Conegamer on 17 December 2010
Immortal said:
Conegamer said:
Immortal said:

Honestly. it depends on the specific genre/game. To say that Wii can or cannot sell "core" or "mature" games is stupid. If every CoD game till the last one has been handicapped on the Wii, obviously the CoD fanbase will be on PS360. All those small new IPs, if they're not attempting to directly steal from a PS360 fanbase, will almost certainly sell better on Wii than on the PS3 or 360, simply because of the larger base.

And they'll definitely make more profit.

Did you even read my OP? 

If so;

I agree with you to an extent. However, what is a "core" game anyway? It all comes down to what gamers view it as, TBF. I'd count brawl, Galaxy, DKCR et al as "core" games, but modern gamers don't se it this way due it not having guns and going "pew pew"

Maybe someone needs to develop what on earth "hardcore" actually is

Hmm...

*scribbles down in ideas pad for new thread"

If not;

Read the OP. Then maybe you'll realise that what I'm saying is games tend to sell worse on the PS360 then the wii. 

It's called this; after all, it is "against the grain"!


Well, I did. I was just adding more stuff randomly, :P. I'm serious, xD.

I was just supporting your OP because a lot of people may not find games that sell as little as under 100k proof.

Oh, and that's what I think too, but the reason the term was basically coined this generation was because, well...

"Core game, as opposed to Wii game"

But what is classed as a core game? Surely, in which case, no game is "core" if it comes down to artistic styling, because all games have different looks? And many Nintendo games would be "core" if it came down to difficulty...

I saw this great comic once, well, hear it is. This explains my thoughts exactly



 

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Conegamer on 17 December 2010
Gojimaster said:

Honestly, I tend to buy most of my mature/hardcore games on 360 or PS3 as opposed to Wii.  I enjoy Wii for Nintendo 1st party games, for party games like Just Dance, and for other niche games like Zach and Wiki that can't be found elsewhere.

For other games I like to see pretty HD graphics, superior online play, and more DLC options.  Most hardcore games have an element that pushes technology-- I simply can't play a game like ME2, Uncharted 2, GOW3, or Red Dead Redemption on the Wii.  The Wii simply cannot run a game like that.  Since there are so many great hardcore games on HD consoles right now, I never even consider buying hardcore games like Madworld, Red Steel 2, and No More Heroes 2 which are vastly inferior to what can be found on an HD console.  I would never even consider playing CoD on the Wii since the graphics and online are going to be so scaled back compared to the version I play on 360. 

My dream is that I can one day play all my favorite Nintendo and hardcore games all on 1 console again.  This dream probably won't happen anytime soon though. 

I agree with you, but I'd say that missing out on such great Wii games as Monster Hunter Tri and Red Steel 2 is a travesty. The others, yeah OK, not great. But those two (especially Tri) need to be in any gamers collection!

As for your dream, wake up. Look what's happening with the 3DS. Nintendo is learning, and no doubt the Wii2 will have amazing 3rd party support to boot!



 

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MrT-Tar on 17 December 2010

I really do get sick of people the moment a game gets announced for the Wii demanding a port.

I've heard it for every major 3rd party wii game, but also games where Nintendo owns the rights (Last Story, Xenoblade, etc)




Conegamer on 17 December 2010
MrT-Tar said:

I really do get sick of people the moment a game gets announced for the Wii demanding a port.

I've heard it for every major 3rd party wii game, but also games where Nintendo owns the rights (Last Story, Xenoblade, etc)

Yeah, I think the bolded game is the best example. Threads still see "I''m waiting for the HD port" oe, when actually it's impossible. Silly people



 

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Conegamer on 17 December 2010

In unrelated news; the Wii is no longer doomed! LEt's rejoice!

...but when will it be doomed again? My guess is January 1st



 

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Gojimaster on 17 December 2010
Conegamer said:
Gojimaster said:

Honestly, I tend to buy most of my mature/hardcore games on 360 or PS3 as opposed to Wii.  I enjoy Wii for Nintendo 1st party games, for party games like Just Dance, and for other niche games like Zach and Wiki that can't be found elsewhere.

For other games I like to see pretty HD graphics, superior online play, and more DLC options.  Most hardcore games have an element that pushes technology-- I simply can't play a game like ME2, Uncharted 2, GOW3, or Red Dead Redemption on the Wii.  The Wii simply cannot run a game like that.  Since there are so many great hardcore games on HD consoles right now, I never even consider buying hardcore games like Madworld, Red Steel 2, and No More Heroes 2 which are vastly inferior to what can be found on an HD console.  I would never even consider playing CoD on the Wii since the graphics and online are going to be so scaled back compared to the version I play on 360. 

My dream is that I can one day play all my favorite Nintendo and hardcore games all on 1 console again.  This dream probably won't happen anytime soon though. 

I agree with you, but I'd say that missing out on such great Wii games as Monster Hunter Tri and Red Steel 2 is a travesty. The others, yeah OK, not great. But those two (especially Tri) need to be in any gamers collection!

As for your dream, wake up. Look what's happening with the 3DS. Nintendo is learning, and no doubt the Wii2 will have amazing 3rd party support to boot!

I was more referring to a home console.
I am excited about 3DS, but I don't play hardcore games on handhelds anyway.  I actually really like the DS the way it already is-- Professor Layton, Ace Attorney, Zelda, New Super Mario Bros, etc.  When I want to play an immersive game with good graphics I go straight to the console. 



 

Most anticipated games of 2011:

Uncharted 3,Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword, Rocksmith

Modern Warfare 3, Super Mario 3D