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hatmoza said:
scottie said:

Well, my current vote is not achieving anything so I may as well change it to the person who I think is most likely to be mafia amongst those who already have a decent amount of votes, and I gotta say I am not convinced by those accusing NeN. Even at the time I thought the whole scum number thing was not going to help us tell one way or another. Voting no lynch is always a tad scummy, but by itself is not enough and in my experience the most (and least) aggressive people in the game are not scum - scum generally tend to take the middle road for the vast majority of the game. They may occasionally be aggresive to save another scum's life, but unless they need to do that there's no point being aggressive

 

Ugh, now to trawl through this thing for scummy comments from those with 2 votes already.

 

Vote: ST (ie unvoting MG at least for the moment) his comments are certainly very suspicious, more so than the others with 2 or more votes imo




Don't know why my post disappeared but here's a brief form of it.

That was pretty quick of you to change your vote when under slight pressure. Defending nen particularly was the most interesting. I think it can be to our advantage in lynching you to compare your alignment with those you suspect and those you defend.

I don't know how new you are to mafia but I"m considering you a newb, and I think successfully lynching a newb scum could largely benefit the town because of the genuine mistakes that are prone to hurt their scum buddies if lynched.



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Vetteman94 said:
hatmoza said:

Shoot, I tried a lot of things as mafia to throw people off. I buddied with FF once by saving him from a lynch train last year, which made him trust me. Then I broke his heart. I lurked, then claimed to be a bomb when put under pressure once. I basically told nordlead I was going to kill him one time. I told everyone I was an anti magician apprentice and lived throughout most of the game with that lie ... the list can go on. 

My point being, you really shouldn't hold one game I was mafia against me because I haven't gotten on Gnizmo's bad side yet. I see you didn't waste no time perusing with your personal vendetta against me in your absence from this game.

And about nordlead, well every time we play we threaten eachother. If it makes you suspicious, I can live with that. It only seems to bother you anyway, then again every game I play with you you find something interesting to say about me.

Now, I have some catching up to do.

So you are basically admitting you lied then, that fine.  What I dont understand is you trying to discredit my claims by making up a scenario that doesnt exist?  What personal vendetta do I have against you?   

I understand your little "game" you play with nordlead, but using it to prove you are town on top of your other comment which was a lie is just you trying to hard to look like you are town.

So a lie, and then trying to discredit it with another lie,  anything else you would like to lie about?

Yes, I admit to lying my ass off in previous mafia games as a mafia player. I never heard of an honest mafia (scum) player ... I'm not discrediting your claims, I'm just used to you attacking me for baseless things everytime we play together. And you do have a personal vendetta against me. If I had the time to run through thousands and thousands of posts to show our arguments of you accusing me with ridiculous and sometimes not so ridiculous accusations I would be delighted to share them, but I'm not going to. It basically starts off with you accusing me of something then me insulting you and then you getting upset.

Don't pretend like that never happens, it does, and you continue to do the same thing in this game. I'm sure there's plenty of players in this game who can confirm this. Remember your high horse comment a couple games ago?

Again, the nordlead argument. I really can't tell you anything else. That's what you believe, and I can't do anything about it. It's a traditional thing we do every game, and if you think it's unusual this time, I can't do anything about that. I will say that you seem to be grasping at straws though.

I wasn't suspicious of you yesterday, but I'm realizing all your posts (or the ones I remember at least) are all focused on me. This strikes me because the last game I played, I used a similar approach. As to limit myself from making mistakes, I focused my whole game chasing after Khuutra, accusing him, calling for his lynch. I was mafia that game, and Khuutra praised me for not bringing so much attention onto myself with my tunnel approach. This is starting to rub me the wrong way seeing how you were away from the game for a while and are just focusing on me and not really contributing anything else to the game except your suspicions of me.



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

Let me end my run by saying, some people (Republic) really overreacted about my one-word post reply to nord's wall. It was pretty harmless but I did behave.

I really want to comment on nord's suspicion of SAK but I 'm tired. I'll be honest when I say that I quickly skimmed through his [Saks] posts before. I'll make the effort tomorrow to read back on his posts.

Linkz, if you agree that your Potals only provide us a list of lurkers then your Potals suck. Prof's Potals are more interesting,



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

hatmoza said:
Final-Fan said:
hatmoza said:
Final-Fan said:
I'm too tired right now, but in addition to whatever I said in my accusation of him, he responded to that pressure in a really weak way.  I've just got a feeling about him, and he has a number of votes against him and I don't want this day to last forever. 

I wouldn't mind lynching hatmoza, but you haven't convinced me he's worth trying to switch from nen-suer. 

I'm sure Vette could come up with more, but I'm honestly interested in why you would want me lynched.

Well, it seemed like he just had some very good points, such as:  you saying you wouldn't buddy up if you were mafia, yet you have done so as I well remember.  What, have you changed your ways and we are just supposed to trust you on that? 

I would expect this kind of argument from someone ... less experienced. This is just really awkward coming from you and honestly, it kind of stinks. I'm not asking anyone to trust me. It's foolish for anyone to trust anyone at this point of the game. And to single me out on a trust issue is just weird from you. You always have a logical explanation behind your accusations. This is just weak FF.

You get a finger. FoS Final-Fan

Are ... you serious? 

I never said you SAID we should just trust you, but it's the fact that we shouldn't that makes your earlier contradiction bogus.  You said you wouldn't do such and such if you were a mafia, yet you have a PROVEN HISTORY of doing exactly that, so how is what you said not bullshit? 

That was Vetteman's point I was talking about and it was a good one.  To be honest I'm leery of taking his lead since he does seem to go after you in every game -- as I vaguely, vaguely recall -- but it doesn't mean I can ignore his points when they make complete sense. 



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scottie said:

Well, my current vote is not achieving anything so I may as well change it to the person who I think is most likely to be mafia amongst those who already have a decent amount of votes, and I gotta say I am not convinced by those accusing NeN. Even at the time I thought the whole scum number thing was not going to help us tell one way or another. Voting no lynch is always a tad scummy, but by itself is not enough and in my experience the most (and least) aggressive people in the game are not scum - scum generally tend to take the middle road for the vast majority of the game. They may occasionally be aggresive to save another scum's life, but unless they need to do that there's no point being aggressive

 

Ugh, now to trawl through this thing for scummy comments from those with 2 votes already.

 

Vote: ST (ie unvoting MG at least for the moment) his comments are certainly very suspicious, more so than the others with 2 or more votes imo

Ok, you now pretty much confirmed yourself as scum. Not only did you lurk big time (the usual thing neweb mafia players do, I did it my self the first time), but you just voted MAJOR bandwagoning without any reasoning for your vote. I was quite suspicious about nen, and I still believe he's mafia, but you seem to be a sure shot.

unvote: nen

Vote: scottie

And before anyone uses this as chance to accuse me, my post regarding the wall-to-wall posts was simply stating what noname already said. I just want to see all posts regarding the mafia game in this thread.



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hatmoza said:
scottie said:

Don't know why my post disappeared but here's a brief form of it.

That was pretty quick of you to change your vote when under slight pressure. Defending nen particularly was the most interesting. I think it can be to our advantage in lynching you to compare your alignment with those you suspect and those you defend.

I don't know how new you are to mafia but I"m considering you a newb, and I think successfully lynching a newb scum could largely benefit the town because of the genuine mistakes that are prone to hurt their scum buddies if lynched.

I had been thinking the same myself about some of the people I'd place a vote on. Unfortunately, it's only helpful if he flips scum and if we can discern what's the truth from what is lies. Additionally, scottie has only defended nen, somewhat attacked MG and put a baseless(to me) vote on ST just now. The vote indirectly defends Hat as well, but overall I don't think that says much. 

I believe SAK, j0, or yourself would be far more informative for that purpose. I only mention you as you've had more interactions compared to the other two, though I think the only suspicious behavior I recall is buddying up to Gniz. You and Wonk are the next two I want to check out, similar to my check of prof/Gniz.

 

I've been trying to decide between the other two all day now, and since I'm feeling less restrained right now(i.e. i've been drinking, not too heavily mind you as I hope everything is still coherent) it's time to decide:

SAK I think would be far more telling if he turned up scum, but rereading his posts I get the feeling he's just a bad townie. The biggest things that irk me about him at the moment are the random image and A fight to the death? in addition to the already pointed out fact that he wasn't paying attention at all.(IMU and Soleron being replaced)

As for j0, it's pretty much just a feeling that most of the posts have very little substance. But that's something I'd be on radish and MG about as well. The other points have been said by others, so there's no need to repeat them. There is one thing that hasn't been mentioned; however, it's just a choice of a word and I think that'd be really nit-picky to be the tipping factor for a vote.

So..
Vote: SuperAdrianK (SAK)
I really hope he's scum, but if it is a mislynch then at least it won't be cutting out one of the better townies. And if he is scum, he's given some opinions on nen, zex, hat, mg, prof, gniz, ST, and wonk. Notably, I'd be less suspicious of nen, ST, wonk, and to a lesser degree MG. I'd be more suspicious of zex and hat. prof and gniz are a bit of a toss-up, since they're paired together. Anyway, it's all just speculation at this point.

 

Oh and as for my Potals "sucking", I already stated that I already put tha majority of the mistakes and slip-ups I notice in my posts. There's no reason for me to provide that all at once with the potals and do all of the work so scum can just use it as reasoning to get mislynches or so that townies will be blamed for parroting. Your comment reminds me of Heph's comment to prof last round which came off to me as saying "you need to do more work for the rest of us." I do look forward to prof's Potals though as a comparison to my own.



finally done! And not too soon, noting linkz comment above.

However, I will not be posting the entirety yet. I've been working on this for the past two hours just sorting posts.

Here are some brief notes:

D1, Hat and I (along with others) accused Gniz of non-contribution. On Day 2, he is within the top three contributors.

 

(just as a note; I consider contributions to be providing new information, providing information that can be "associated/linked" with someone (including themselves), posts that request new information)

 

and I'm sticking with what I said above. My top mafia are j0, sak, trucks, and stefl.

I will be dishing out a ton of information soon.

please be patient.



Name C NC M PS total
MG 3 2 3 0 8
GoW (town) 2 7 0 0 9
Linkz 18 0 0 1 19
Wonk 14 2 1 0 17
Zex 23 3 2 0 28
Prof 26 16 1 0 43
Hat 14 8 1 0 23
Gniz 6 4 0 0 10
scottie 0 1 1 0 2
Radish 2 2 0 0 4
stefl 6 5 3 1 15
nen 2 4 6 0 12
ff 7 8 3 0 18
st 9 4 1 0 14
vette 10 5 1 0 16
trucks 3 1 0 0 4
heph 24 11 0 0 35
SAK 3 1 2 1 7
j0 3 10 0 0 13
IMU 0       0
Sol 0       0
Nord 0 3 0 0 3
dtewi 2 1 0 0 3
           

Day 2

Name C NC M PS total
Gniz 15 8 1 0 24
SaK 3 4 1 0 8
FF 16 7 1 0 24
Truck 10 6 1 0 17
prof 23 9 2 0 34
zex 9 4 0 0 13
hat 13 8 2 0 23
rad 6 5 1 0 12
stefl 4 7 0 0 11
mg 6 6 0 0 12
linkz 15 3 0 0 18
st 7 3 1 0 11
wonk 11 6 0 0 17
nen 8 4 0 0 12
j0 5 5 0 0 10
scotti 2 2 2 0 6
nord 6 3 0 0 9
vette 3 0 0 0 3
           
           
           
           
           
           

ok, so that's the totals for day one and day 2.

It's interesting to compare how people act on day 1 compared to day 2. This will follow in an analysis later on today.

Also, It's cool to note the order in which people post and appear. All the names were written in order of appearance, usually from an intro post. Intro posts were simply left out of that totals.

I wish I could make bar graphs. I will try to find a website that can make bar graphs to show how post totals look in terms of arrival. For instance, people who tend to show up first have far more posts than others. This makes sense based on the fact that they've been "in the game" longer than others. However, there are some notable exceptions.

Heph on day 1, appeared relatively late, but had a huge number of contributions, which is similar to linkz and wonk and nord on day 2. On the reverse there are some others that arrive early but contribute little. These examples would be SAK on day 2, mg and gow on day 1. etc etc. This is in no way concrete evidence, but it does give me leads to pursue.

 

Also,

unvote nen

vote SAK.

I will post ratios, changes in posting, and a list of evidence-posts tomorrow when i wake up.



oh, and above on the first list i have possible slips listed for sak and stefl. I was on an iphone when i noted these, so i couldn't save the links, but they both gave me the impression of being an SK.

ok ciao for now



theprof00 said:
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and I'm sticking with what I said above. My top mafia are j0, sak, trucks, and stefl.

I will be dishing out a ton of information soon.

please be patient.


I don't understand why you suspect j0... I did not see anything scummy so far about him... but maybe I am mistaken there... care to explain?