Sorry... okay that was a misunderstanding then...

I thought you were also trying to refer to this game and I was a bit puzzled why you listed players not even playing ;P

@MG: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3824418

Yes, I quite understand that some players lurk as mafia. I have just been getting a scummy vibe from you since your play has been similar to the last round. You may have posted more so far, but I didn't think you've produced much content until recently. So I just didn't like the way you jumped on scottie. If you'd have made a well thought out argument against any of the more active players I wouldn't have gotten on your case.

Regardless of your current stance, you seem to have gotten scottie to post once again, so well done.

@scottie:
Your vote really comes off as one of revenge to me, but I'm more concerned with your reappearance though. You said you've been reading and thinking, but not posting. Why did you choose now, when eyes are starting to focus on you, to start posting? And a quiz to test if you've been paying attention or only watching out for yourself: list a few topics/happenings that have gone on in the town and your thoughts on them. I can understand family stuff tying you up, but you're not providing anything to gauge your alignment on at all. So even if you are town, not being helpful comes off anti-town.
FoS: scottie

nord already mentioned it, but way to not stay up on the round. HoS: SAK
For me, gray area means it could be content, but it's just as easy to say it isn't content. For example if I said, "I think one of the people using fos/hos is scum" then I would count that as Gray. Actually I'd more than likely put that as NC because it doesn't really say anything, but if it had a name listed or even a reason then it'd go in the Content column. 

@ST: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3824931
I should've put quotes around everything after "say" and up to the period. I meant you'd have the excuse of having the first vote, so it can't be bandwagon vote. I'm stressing "can't" because my initial point was that it seems you tried to get the first vote because you know others are suspicious of nen and may vote him also.

It's odd that you say this right after scottie popped back up after being accused of lurking. Also scottie has admitted to lurking, in the sense of reading and not posting. What is your take now?

@Stefl:
Your initial response to MG comes off as a bit defensive to me. But you bring up a good point that a lurking mafiosi may not give up any information on scumbuddies. This is one of the reasons I want to get more out of scottie than just a defense and retaliation against MG. Yes I know that if he's scum we can't trust his word, but if there's no words at all then there's not even a chance to try to figure out what is fact and what's fiction.

I am not marking which players are "useful" or not, as that certainly is for every player to decide on their own. I'm simply which posts I think fall into which column. A high NC count isn't necessarily bad as there's been a bit of Off-Topic chatter(and I'd say only a tiny amount of that has bordered on derailing things) or just short comments to noname(such as a correction on voting) or whatever which were important, but nothing anyone could use to make a case out of. A high Gray count isn't bad either, it just means I think some of their posts could be more specific. A very high Content count like prof's is troublesome because it means I have a lot to go through when I reread things.

Current votes (10 required to lynch):

[1, L-9] ZEX: GNIZ

[1, L-9] HAT: (PROF), WONK

[1, L-9] WONK: HAT

[5, L-5] NEN: ST, PROF, FF, SAK, ZEX

[2, L-8] ST: TRUCK, NEN

[2, L-8] SCOTT: MG, RAD

[1, L-9] MG: SCOTT

[1, L-9] SAK: NORD

I've already explained how your no lynch vote can be suspicious. If you are town, then by voting for no lynch you are saying "I would like the mafia to have more control over the lynching process" if you are mafia (and the person currently under suspicion is town) then you can get away with a no lynch vote.

The fact that you're voting for me on such weak reasons (sure, you can admit that you did what you're accusing me of in a previous game, but I found out that you're mafia by the 2nd turn, so I don't particularly hold your skills in this game in high regard I'm afraid. I can guarentee that if I were one of your fellow mafia, I would not be attracting suspicion in such a fashion.

@ all of those thinking that only a mafia would resurface to defend themselves, townsfolk have exactly as much desire to defend themselvs as mafia do...

Yes townies do have a desire to defend themselves of course but they also have a desire to find who the scum is. So when you pop up only to defend yourself it makes it seem that you're not interested in finding scum which could indicate that you're a in fact scum.

I find it quite scummy the way you've quoted me out of context to try and paint it as if I have some knowledge that either would be a mislynch. Here was my post:

First, the sentence in quotations is the way I read your post. Then I ask why you say it is interesting, a question which you have still yet to answer. Then I list the reasons I could think of if I tried to put myself in you're shoes.(Something I've already shown I do, crazy as it may be)

Now let me break down each thought I listed:
"You don't agree with the reasons." You find it interesting that prof and trucks are going after nen and ST because you disagree with their similar reasons. Simple enough and not scummy.
"You think they're both scum and openly agreeing on what will be a mislynch(or a bussing)?" You think prof and trucks are both scum. Furthermore you see them using the same reasoning out in the open to try to lynch a townie. And in parentheses , since you(and neither do I) don't know nen or ST's alignment it could be two scummates throwing a third under the bus(hence the term, "bussing") for a lynch. More complicated, but again not scummy.
"Or something else?" Self-explanatory. I figured your answer would fall here, but I'll have to wait for that.

If it's not already obvious what my answers are to your two questions, I'll answer them directly. I never stated that I know an ST or nen lynch would be a mislynch, nor do I know that it would or wouldn't be. I never stated that you agree that ST and/or nen should be lynched either.

The difference between our responses is I tried to guess at your line of thought.You tried to twist my words to incriminate me.

Wow, did I miss alot,  I wish I would have posted this sooner as alo of time has past since this happened but I believe it is a good lead

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3821905

This first link is an exchange is between hatmoza and gnizmo, hatmoza says something interesting.

"contrary, if I were mafia I'd think twice about buddying with another player so you have no fears."

actually hatmoza thats exactly what you have done in the past, and its what alot of mafia have done in the past as well, get on the good side of the town and look like you are one of them.  But for you to throw it out there trying to look innocent seems like you are trying to hard to blend in.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3822029

The second link is more of the same, except its when you proclaim that:

"No. I would have totally killed Nord already, dead serious. Even if I were a vigilante."  

Again its like you are saying "I cant be evil because nordlead is alive",  you are praying on past habits hoping for a pass from everyone.  

Well I dont buy it at all

Vote: hatmoza

unlike gniz, if I don't respond, it's either because I completely understand your point or I think it may be useful in seeing a bandwagon on my behalf.

If I have a problem, I will always respond.

The only reason I haven't commented on SAK is because seriously, I have barely any time to keep up even on this little bit that I do. I'm currently in Colorado at my gf's family, and I hate to appear rude, so the only times I really get is at night when everyone is asleep. Additionally, we went to nebraska and the hotel didn't have an internet room, or computers and the ipod went out of charge. etc etc etc.

I'll look into it asap.

@linkz

actually I was trying to defend myself, so you got the right feeling from what I wrote... I also tried to explain why I feeled attacked, also I think you are right about SAK... STs post could have been ninjad... I have to look at the posting times to get a closer look on that situation...

Because talking is the best way to learn something?