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Hephaestos on 23 December 2010
disolitude said:
Hephaestos said:

yeah well no content kind of kills the deal. when I look on amazon (.fr) i see only 16 3D movies.... for 30 different TV/monitors/projectors....

Can you actually use Nvidia 3D on a 3D TV or is there not even that redeeming factor for them?

 

 

about the fujifilm camera... are you sure it's the exact samescreen? (you linked at the W3, there was the W1 earlier in 2010 too)... the review I saw on it was pretty satisfactory... then again they probably don't have the same 3D knowledge as Dis, i'll wait an other year to look at 3D capture devices.... they are about to release an 8" 3D picture frame though... that might work better than TVs depending on the price =)

 

(what would you say is the best projector? they all seem to have a low rez)

As far as the 3DS screen and the Fuji camera, I am not sure its that its the same screen, but the tech is the same. Both are 3.5 inches, smae resolution using the parallax barrier to direct the images to apropriate eye... Its a very good indication on what 3DS will be like.

For the projector, Acer H5360 3d projector and like an 82 inch 1.2 gain screen and you're laughing.

Its native 1280x720 but thats a blessing for 2 reasons.

1. 3D is demanding on the computer. A single GTX460 can rock 3D at that resolution on medium-high for most games.

2. Cost is low. I've seen them for as low as 549.

Image quality and brightness is really good as well, as long as you don't go 100 inches with the screen and use proper gear. I was watching REsident Evil Afterlife 3D last night with a buddy on the projectore...I have to say that its one of those least regretful purchases I've ever made.  :)

Also, you can use Nvidia 3D vision on some 3D TVs now...but there are limits. I'll write a thread one of these days when I have time, explaining the best 3D solutions for every possible technology. Stupid work and christmas shopping is keeping me busy...

thanks for the tips =)



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Faxanadu on 23 December 2010

People got f%$&ed when they got a HD TV and then suddenly there were Full HD TVs.

People then got f%&$ed when they got a HD TV and then suddenly there were 3D TVs.

Now people dont want to get f$&í anymore.



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HappySqurriel on 23 December 2010

People tend to forget how long it takes for consumers to actually have an interest in new formats. HDTV was introduced in the mid 1990s and only (really) became mainstream in the past couple of years; primarily because people wanted large flat pannel TVs which were all HDTVs in the past 3 or 4 years. CD was introduced in the early 1980s and took off in the beginning of the 1990s, DVD was introduced in the mid 1990s and took off in the beginning of the 2000s, and even MP3 players didn't really become fashionable until the iPod which came out (at least) 5 years after the first MP3 players.

The big mistake of 3DTV is that it is being pushed way before consumers are ready to think about a new TV format, before the technology is ready, and before there is any content for them.

Now, as much as people say that glasses are a non-starter I personally think that people would accept glasses if they were reasonably affordable (between $5 and $10 per pair); and these TVs would still have some market if the glasses weren't insanely priced (up to about $25 per pair). When these TVs tend to only come with 2 pairs of glasses, each additional pair of glasses is $100 (or more), and people want to be able to watch Movies/Sports events with 12 (or possibly more) people the cost of glasses becomes a serious problem.



disolitude on 23 December 2010
HappySqurriel said:

Now, as much as people say that glasses are a non-starter I personally think that people would accept glasses if they were reasonably affordable (between $5 and $10 per pair); and these TVs would still have some market if the glasses weren't insanely priced (up to about $25 per pair). When these TVs tend to only come with 2 pairs of glasses, each additional pair of glasses is $100 (or more), and people want to be able to watch Movies/Sports events with 12 (or possibly more) people the cost of glasses becomes a serious problem.


Its just not technically possible at this point and time to release active shutter lcd glasses for under 50 dollars. Even the chinese knock offs which fall appart in a week are 49.99.

Passive technology would have worked for cheap glasses, but we would have not seen 1080p per eye 3D for another 10 years...until TVs with 2160p lines become available.



Acevil on 23 December 2010
Faxanadu said:

People got f%$&ed when they got a HD TV and then suddenly there were Full HD TVs.

People then got f%&$ed when they got a HD TV and then suddenly there were 3D TVs.

Now people dont want to get f$&í anymore.

I wouldn't say that is reason. Honestly speaking it is the lack of content and price.

New products replacing old products rarely piss people off (that much)...just look at iphone.



 

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HappySqurriel on 23 December 2010
disolitude said:
HappySqurriel said:

Now, as much as people say that glasses are a non-starter I personally think that people would accept glasses if they were reasonably affordable (between $5 and $10 per pair); and these TVs would still have some market if the glasses weren't insanely priced (up to about $25 per pair). When these TVs tend to only come with 2 pairs of glasses, each additional pair of glasses is $100 (or more), and people want to be able to watch Movies/Sports events with 12 (or possibly more) people the cost of glasses becomes a serious problem.


Its just not technically possible at this point and time to release active shutter lcd glasses for under 50 dollars. Even the chinese knock offs which fall appart in a week are 49.99.

Passive technology would have worked for cheap glasses, but we would have not seen 1080p per eye 3D for another 10 years...until TVs with 2160p lines become available.

Which I think just reinforces the point that these companies are pushing this technology far too early ...



greenmedic88 on 23 December 2010

A lot of people agree with the relative lack of content vs. relative premium price for 3D.

Personally, I don't think there's much to be debated, even without taking the current low consumer adoption rates into account.

But, the boundaries have to be pushed, even when it comes to mass market electronics, and as always, there will have to be early adopters who are tech-philes, willing to pay the premium cost and drive the market.

I'm not convinced consumer 3D can fully take off until there are broadcast channels recording shows (sports, TV shows, etc.) in 3D. But if the entry level costs hit a low enough point that the premium is nominal, there should be enough incentive for those who want to buy what's current because they don't plan on buying another HDTV for another 5-10 years.

I've had my main 1080p display for about 4 years now and the next set that I buy (if it's not a low cost replacement if it breaks) will have 3D capability although I prefer to wait to see how glassless 3D development will progress over the next couple years. By then, if they aren't ready or far too expensive (most likely), I may just end up buying a 3D set that requires glasses for not much more than a regular HDTV.

Currently, I see the glasses as being the primary added cost for those who need multiple pairs. The displays themselves really don't carry much of a premium on a feature set to feature set comparison unless you're in the market for a budget HDTV.



snakenobi on 24 December 2010
disolitude said:

The problem with 3D is that unless you are doing it on a 70 inch screen with THX surround sound and lights out, its not really that immresive or impressive.

Combine that with the lack of content and the locking out non hdmi 1.4 content practices by sony and rest...with the fact that TVs sell at a premium with aditional glasses at 200-300 dollars per pack...and you got yourself a product which will fail to sell.

They just need to scrap this 3D cash grab which started this year and start over...or step aside and let Nvidia, RealD and Texas Instruments DLP do it as they are the only ones doing it properly.

200-300$ per pack?

wow,u are really misinformed

 

no 3D glass packs are more than $150 and even those are discounted under $100



disolitude on 24 December 2010
snakenobi said:
disolitude said:

The problem with 3D is that unless you are doing it on a 70 inch screen with THX surround sound and lights out, its not really that immresive or impressive.

Combine that with the lack of content and the locking out non hdmi 1.4 content practices by sony and rest...with the fact that TVs sell at a premium with aditional glasses at 200-300 dollars per pack...and you got yourself a product which will fail to sell.

They just need to scrap this 3D cash grab which started this year and start over...or step aside and let Nvidia, RealD and Texas Instruments DLP do it as they are the only ones doing it properly.

200-300$ per pack?

wow,u are really misinformed

 

no 3D glass packs are more than $150 and even those are discounted under $100

Ok, I'll take your word for it...

I won't listen to prices best buy, or amazon is charging where you can't get a single pair under a 100 or a pack under 299.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olstemplatemapper.jsp?_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&_dynSessConf=-3902820762767242055&id=pcat17071&type=page&ks=960&st=3d glasses&sc=Global&cp=1&sp=&qp=crootcategoryid##-1##-1~~q336420676c6173736573~~ncabcat0100000##3##d&list=y&usc=All Categories&nrp=15&iht=n

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias=electronics&field-keywords=3d glasses&x=0&y=0



EyeAmTJ on 24 December 2010

Oh well I don't care for 3D or Internet TV's anyway & never will