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Darth Tigris said:
binary solo said:

I dunno why this is especially bad for Sony, because the most promoted 3D TVs in this part of the world are Samsung and LG. So it seems like those brands are as heavily invested in 3D as Sony, if not moreso.

Also why so bad for Bestbuy but no other TV retailers? Did Bestbuy back 3D/internet TV much more than others?

On 3D itself, I have no interest in glasses required 3D active, passive or otherwise. Don't even like it at the movie theatre. I think it's best application is for gaming, but it's still rather gimmicky even then.

Somehow Nintendo is gonna make it popular with 3DS, even though that seems rather gimmicky to me too.

Also I didn't see one place in either of the articles in the OP where Sony is mentioned. How do we know that Sony TVs are selling badly? Maybe (unlikely I know) it's only Sony TVs that are selling half way decent and all the other 3D TVs are doing badly.


You're right, other manufacturers and retailers will be affected negatively by this too.

Sony was likely mentioned because, since this is a gaming site, Sony is the only one of those manufacturers that has a major stake in gaming.  Quarterly financials for Sony will be posted and discussed here while the others won't.  

So, long story short, we actually care about Sony's performance here.  : )

SONY does stand to hurt because of it. Their strategy seemed to focus on 3-D by integrating Blu-ray, PS3 and their own 3-D tvs. Also I read that Cell cores were used in some internet tvs.

However, after glancing over the articles, they're forecast to earn more per share compared to last year. Also,  poor notebook sales are also a problem.

Plus - TVs are really low margin. Best Buy only makes money off the accessories. Potentially it could just be because people are less willing to spend the extra money on cables when they can find them for 10% of the price in other places.



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One thing I did notice was that when the Sony GoogleTV launched, there was a ton of TV advertising. Then I noticed fewer ads and only a few weeks after launch the prices got slashed. Cutting prices right after launch can only mean that the things are selling horribly.



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ssj12 said:
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superchunk said:
Raze said:

The issue is two-fold:

1. People don't want to wear 3D glasses in their living room. This is the very reason why 3D TV didn't happen sooner. 3D is a luxury for the theaters only, and only once in a while. When TVs come out that interpret the 3D graphics without the need for wearing glasses, people will warm up to the idea. Also, people are still or recently have bought HDTVs, and are reluctant to go out and make another big TV purchase anytime soon.

2. Most people have a device connecting their TV to the internet. Most people have a gaming console for themselves, or their kids, etc. Each of the 3 current gen consoles have online capabilities. I've shown my friends YouTube videos on my OOOOLLLLD 32 inch tv via the Wii. For those without consoles, they may have something else, like a Roku or other internet-capable device. Internet TV is a good idea, but not a good idea right now.

I would argue a little different.

1. People dont want to wear EXPENSIVE 3D glasses. Had the companies utilized the passive system with the cheap glasses where you could by 10 for $20, it would be a far bigger hit.

2. yeah.. my TV can do net stuff, but my PS3 or Wii just does it better, and a great number of households have these devices already. Though Google TV may change that entirely.

No, really, people don't want to wear ANY 3D glasses. No one wants to look like a reject, and there are no such thing as "cool" 3D glasses. 2nd point valid when Google TV DOES change things. =)

And gamers dont look like rejects playing with the Wii, Move, or Kinect? heck even Rock Band equipment?

Not really, not compared to wearing some fugly 3d glasses anyhow. Its funny how everyone refers to motion controls as "flailing about". When I play a motion game, my movements are small with the controller and I get the desired effect. =)



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Nintendo will popularize 3D with the 3DS, and Toshiba is making glasses-less 3d TVs. This only gets worse for Sony because 3D with glasses never took off. (It would just be another PS3 scenario, losing millions of dollars).  The thing that Sony needs to do at this point is develop glasses free 3D TVs, and take off the internet crap. (That's Google's responsibility though).



IamAwsome said:

Nintendo will popularize 3D with the 3DS, and Toshiba is making glasses-less 3d TVs. This only gets worse for Sony because 3D with glasses never took off. (It would just be another PS3 scenario, losing millions of dollars).  The thing that Sony needs to do at this point is develop glasses free 3D TVs, and take off the internet crap. (That's Google's responsibility though).


You can already see the same 3D screen which nintendo is going to try to popularize on a Fuji camera at your local best buy.

http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/fuji-fujifilm-finepix-real-3d-w3-10-0mp-digital-camera-w3/10153214.aspx?path=84e2261040f93e8ade182526dce6ddf1en02

Its nice for what it is, but go check it out then come back and say that the 3D TVs without glasses sould be based on this tech.

The viewing angle is rediculous and it gives me a headache unless im dead center with the screen...and I've been using 3D glasses for 2 years now.

 

I'll make a detailed topic about 3D one of these, talking about the possibilities, the current sad state of 3D TVs and 3D content, and what consumers should do who are itnerested in this tech.



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i lol at some peoples comments 

America =/= entire world 

Best Buy is one retailer 

3D tv's aren't doomed, because 3D is like graphics cards, you are going to have every new graphics card 3D capable

TV's are the same. 

Also No glasses has its down sides as well, it isn't prefect

 



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Grimes said:

One thing I did notice was that when the Sony GoogleTV launched, there was a ton of TV advertising. Then I noticed fewer ads and only a few weeks after launch the prices got slashed. Cutting prices right after launch can only mean that the things are selling horribly.


 While this may not apply in this situation, a common strategy with 3D TV's (And most 'new' technologies when introduced on the market) has been to initially price the things 'above' what is the intended retail price for the launch period. The sad fact is that there are alot of people out there with more money then sense, and they have to have the newest thing straight away.

 It gives them a two-fold effect, they can get lots of extra money by selling the thing at a rediculous price to those whom for money is not an obsticle, and they can promote them at a 'price cut' price when they do go down to what the actual intended price was in the first place.

 Not saying that's what happened in your specific case but it's certainly been the strategy employed by 3D TV's in the UK, afterall £1000 for a 3D TV is alot easier to swallow when they tell you it's reduced from £1600.



yeah well no content kind of kills the deal. when I look on amazon (.fr) i see only 16 3D movies.... for 30 different TV/monitors/projectors....

Can you actually use Nvidia 3D on a 3D TV or is there not even that redeeming factor for them?

 

 

about the fujifilm camera... are you sure it's the exact samescreen? (you linked at the W3, there was the W1 earlier in 2010 too)... the review I saw on it was pretty satisfactory... then again they probably don't have the same 3D knowledge as Dis, i'll wait an other year to look at 3D capture devices.... they are about to release an 8" 3D picture frame though... that might work better than TVs depending on the price =)

 

(what would you say is the best projector? they all seem to have a low rez)



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Circuit City going away didn't really help Best Buy all that much.  They got more customers for sure, but the problem with Best Buy (and Circuit City for that matter) is that Walmart started focusing on Electronics with a specific focus on flat panel TV's.  

That erased the nice profit margins that electronic dealers were making on TV's.  Instead of have a 100% markup it is now more like 10-20% markup.  Good for consumers, bad for retailers.  Walmart is more to blame for Circuits Downfall than Best Buy is (well, and their own management).  



Hephaestos said:

yeah well no content kind of kills the deal. when I look on amazon (.fr) i see only 16 3D movies.... for 30 different TV/monitors/projectors....

Can you actually use Nvidia 3D on a 3D TV or is there not even that redeeming factor for them?

 

 

about the fujifilm camera... are you sure it's the exact samescreen? (you linked at the W3, there was the W1 earlier in 2010 too)... the review I saw on it was pretty satisfactory... then again they probably don't have the same 3D knowledge as Dis, i'll wait an other year to look at 3D capture devices.... they are about to release an 8" 3D picture frame though... that might work better than TVs depending on the price =)

 

(what would you say is the best projector? they all seem to have a low rez)

As far as the 3DS screen and the Fuji camera, I am not sure its that its the same screen, but the tech is the same. Both are 3.5 inches, smae resolution using the parallax barrier to direct the images to apropriate eye... Its a very good indication on what 3DS will be like.

For the projector, Acer H5360 3d projector and like an 82 inch 1.2 gain screen and you're laughing.

Its native 1280x720 but thats a blessing for 2 reasons.

1. 3D is demanding on the computer. A single GTX460 can rock 3D at that resolution on medium-high for most games.

2. Cost is low. I've seen them for as low as 549.

Image quality and brightness is really good as well, as long as you don't go 100 inches with the screen and use proper gear. I was watching REsident Evil Afterlife 3D last night with a buddy on the projectore...I have to say that its one of those least regretful purchases I've ever made.  :)

Also, you can use Nvidia 3D vision on some 3D TVs now...but there are limits. I'll write a thread one of these days when I have time, explaining the best 3D solutions for every possible technology. Stupid work and christmas shopping is keeping me busy...