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NJ5 on 10 December 2010
Machina said:

I completely disagree. I'm 24, recently graduated from a UK university with not insignificant levels of debt, and have zero sympathy for the protestors.


First of all, the scenes last night were disgusting; why should taxpayers pay for a three year extended holiday for these people? The people who spent all night vandalising public property, urinating against war memorials, laying waste to some of this country's most famous landmarks and hospitalising police officers. And they feel the country owes them something?


I think it's perfectly fine to disagree with publicly funded education. What I am saying is that the country should get its priorities straight - is it more important to cut public education or to stop the ones that are laying waste on the world's economy?

The scenes of a few rogue protestors damaging some things may make for shocking TV, but you can take it to the bank (lol) that this is nothing next to the damage this never-ending recession is creating and will create.



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routsounmanman on 10 December 2010

People over here (Greece) are starting to get REALLY angry because of the measures taken:

1. VAT 4% up to 23%!!!

2. Public sector wages 20% - 40% down

3. Private sector wages 10% - 20% down

4. 30% of companies are either shutting down or facing serious ecocomic issues

5. Gas 80% up in 6 month period

6. Working contracts redefined : Companies can now sack without compensation

7. Lowest wage from ~700 Euros to 520 Euros

8. Unemployment and Suppression's of the charts

I hope some kind of revolution is in the works; We are getting pummeled to the ground and paying the price while some few are getting ridiculously rich. I don't know what caused the crisis in UK, but in Greece it sure is corruption and a huge public sector (17% of the population!). None of which are being looked into >_>

I sure hope we leave the Euro. And I also hope you never embrace it; the only country who thrives through it seems to be Germany... We must riot against the real culprits here, not on each other (our Goddamn politicians)



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Serious_frusting on 10 December 2010

I am a student and i could have gone to these stupid rallies but i didnt.

 

They should get fucking over it and get a job to help pay for the fees. bloody idiots.

 



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Seece on 10 December 2010

They disgust me, putting it plainly, yes even the ones protesting peacfully.

Everyone else is this country is suffering, having cut backs, why should they be let off? They're acting like brats. I say smoke bomb, tazer, and C45 them.



 

NJ5 on 10 December 2010
routsounmanman said:

I sure hope we leave the Euro. And I also hope you never embrace it; the only country who thrives through it seems to be Germany... We must riot against the real culprits here, not on each other (our Goddamn politicians)

 

Germany's latent problems would also blow up if countries like Ireland weren't getting partially enslaved to the banking sector (which owes a lot of money to foreign banks, including German ones and British ones as well incidentally).

Besides that, Germany is highly dependent on exports, which won't get any better with more and more countries going into austerity.



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Stefan.De.Machtige on 10 December 2010
routsounmanman said:

People over here (Greece) are starting to get REALLY angry because of the measures taken:

1. VAT 4% up to 23%!!!

2. Public sector wages 20% - 40% down

3. Private sector wages 10% - 20% down

4. 30% of companies are either shutting down or facing serious ecocomic issues

5. Gas 80% up in 6 month period

6. Working contracts redefined : Companies can now sack without compensation

7. Lowest wage from ~700 Euros to 520 Euros

8. Unemployment and Suppression's of the charts

I hope some kind of revolution is in the works; We are getting pummeled to the ground and paying the price while some few are getting ridiculously rich. I don't know what caused the crisis in UK, but in Greece it sure is corruption and a huge public sector (17% of the population!). None of which are being looked into >_>

I sure hope we leave the Euro. And I also hope you never embrace it; the only country who thrives through it seems to be Germany... We must riot against the real culprits here, not on each other (our Goddamn politicians)

What do the troubles of Greece have to do with the euro or Europe? 

Greece cooked the books (to get into the euro) and spend money it didn't have for a long time. Now its paying the price.



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PlaystaionGamer on 10 December 2010

me and a few mates ended up watching them for 8 hours live yesterday! jesus london was trashed... but who doesnt love a revolution against our failed goverment 



NJ5 on 10 December 2010
Machina said:
NJ5 said:
Machina said:

I completely disagree. I'm 24, recently graduated from a UK university with not insignificant levels of debt, and have zero sympathy for the protestors.


First of all, the scenes last night were disgusting; why should taxpayers pay for a three year extended holiday for these people? The people who spent all night vandalising public property, urinating against war memorials, laying waste to some of this country's most famous landmarks and hospitalising police officers. And they feel the country owes them something?


I think it's perfectly fine to disagree with publicly funded education. What I am saying is that the country should get its priorities straight - is it more important to cut public education or to stop the ones that are laying waste on the world's economy?

The scenes of a few rogue protestors damaging some things may make for shocking TV, but you can take it to the bank (lol) that this is nothing next to the damage this never-ending recession is creating and will create.

They're two completely separate issues, and I'm not even remotely qualified to comment on the second one. But I don't doubt for a moment that it's essential to cut public spending. This is just one area where they're doing that.

And they aren't a 'few protestors'. This is the 3rd demonstration now, and it's happened every single time. It's becoming ridiculous, and the 'it's just a handful of people intent on causing damamge, most of the protestors don't support them, bla bla bla' argument I've been hearing all day simply doesn't wash.

They are not completely seperate issues. The UK would have money to fund education if it wasn't having to pay for the "mistakes" of banks, widespread Ponzi-schemes and so on. Then as a country you could have a debate on what to do about education instead of being forced into these actions that may or may nor be a good idea.



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Acevil on 10 December 2010
Serious_frusting said:

I am a student and i could have gone to these stupid rallies but i didnt.

 

They should get fucking over it and get a job to help pay for the fees. bloody idiots.

 


You think that is bad, majority of Canadian rallies are for about 20k or under (assuming you have accommodation before hand.)



 

Kasz216 on 10 December 2010

Yeah.  I saw they attacked the Prince.  They know he doesn't set tuition fees right?

It feels like some people in europe just like a good riot. 


You know what happens when tuition fees and stuff like that happens in the US?   A walkout.   Everyone in the school just leaves the school in protest and does something else... or at best holds up a few signs and walks away.