I'm christian.
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| ninty_shareholder64 said: I'm an Atheist. And everytime i spoke with a believer, i thought these guys are a bit ... naive at best. Most of them were just stupid, imho. It's easier for them to believe in the theories of religions than to find solutions to their problems on their own.
Hate me, or forgive me, but religion is an antiquated idea and only for weak boneheaded people, imho. |
It depends.
I often had discussions with atheists, i know almost everything about christianity/the bible and science (the important things, i mean). Many were just like "Ha, you believe in fairy tales!" then i said, okay lets talk about it and after the debate many of them were either speechless and 2 of my friends became religous, so i "converted" (wasnt really my intention, but i think it helped the and i know its something good) them just with a debate.
I wish I could speak english as good as german and then i would be very happy to talk about religion with you (:
There are just so many things that left me speechless, ive only discovered them after i became a "born again christian".
When I read something about history for example ive seen "signs" that show me that god exists.
a few days ago for example i read something on wikipedia about russian history and then ive seen an article about a famous russian icon (called kazanskajia or something, which i also have in my room - orthodox christian here)
And i just found it funny that russia almost won every war when they had that icon with them (the original) and exactly 13 years after the original icon was stolen and destroyed (it wasnt found again after that) russian empire - one of the biggest christian empires became atheistic and a communism state, and we all know that was the worst time in russian history (almost every russian will give you the same answer) exactly 13 years later, the unholiest number in christianity and now many people there are becoming christians again and it helped the country.
it isnt exactly a prove but there are many things like that and they get me thinking.
and i dont even talk about my personal experiences with god, because many people would just think that i lie ;)
Fedor Emelianenko - Greatest Fighter and most humble man to ever walk the earth:
chocoloco said:
Ok not trying to be a dick, but saying you can not deny something without proof could also mean you can not prove that I am not god. Can you really prove the existence of anything because I don't think the statement "I think therefore, I am," is enough. In philiosophical thinking, you could prove or unprove the existance of anything. A deist is a theist as well, so of course the are not an atheist; monotheism and polytheism are equals as religions even if polytheism is not as popular. Actually I tell people I am an agnostic, but I truly believe that it is just one type of atheism. |
I think you are setting to high a standard for knowledge. If I was an atheist, I could not deductively proof the non-existence of God. I have to use inductive arguments or show how the world is incompatible with the notions of God(things like the complexity of the universe v. the simplicty of God's mind or the problem of evil), but these types of arguments still count as proof. I could also proof you are not God in the same way, particularly by showing you lack omniscience, omnipresence, and have a physical body. Point is, you'e overlooking other argument forms and reducing knowledge to certainties. While this is fine if you want to maintain this, you also need to abandon atheism to remain consistent becasue atheists's claims cannot reach certainty.
Also, deism and theism are completely different. The big difference is theism believes in a personal God while deists do not. If you want to use agnostic and atheist interchangeably and include agnosticism as a sub-set of atheism, you can do that, but it doesn't change the fact that the words have different meanings. Using them interchangeably will only result in unneeded confusion.
ProdigyBam said:
And i strongly believe in God, so does that make me stupid? He helped me many times and i can feel his presence, i was atheist too, but some things happened in my life that showed me that God wanted to show me hes up there and since then i became very religious. (: |
It's natural.
Extrem positive or negative things that happened to someones life. And although you are intelligent by some specific criterias, you are not able to understand why that happened. You asked yourself a thousand times and found no answer.
Then someone infected you with the idea of an answer for all open questions. Bang!
Now life is easier.
I am an atheist. But I rather be called an agnostic. My reason is because I cannot affirm with 100% certainty that a god, "higher being", or a sentient energy force, has a hand in the creation of conciousness and whether there is an existance of such conciousness beyond our biological lives.
"¿Por qué justo a mí tenía que tocarme ser yo?"
ninty_shareholder64 said:
It's natural. Extrem positive or negative things that happened to someones life. And although you are intelligent by some specific criterias, you are not able to understand why that happened. You asked yourself a thousand times and found no answer. Then someone infected you with the idea of an answer for all open questions. Bang! Now life is easier. |
No mate, its more than that ;)
You know, when im dreaming about my grandfathers death and next day it happens, something must be there, if i pray that suddenly we dont write exams in school because i havent learned and it happens, something must be there.
My life has became wonderful after I started believing in god again, i feel that i became a better human being, i was an asshole some years ago, now im ´the nicest guy youll ever meet and its not only ME who changed it, but god helped me.
I cant explain it, because you cant explain that feeling when you know god is always with you and im so thankful for it that he saved me.
Fedor Emelianenko - Greatest Fighter and most humble man to ever walk the earth:
highwaystar101 said:
I object to calling them stupid to be honest. Most creationists I come across are normal people, with the same rationality and intelligence as you and me. I think it's a case of selective suspended rationality. For example, someone who believes Noah's flood actually took place for religious reasons, they will suspend their usual rationality when approaching it. They will find ways to believe that the flood took place, despite the fact that rivers still meander. That doesn't mean they are this irrational all the time, just in this case. Most of the time they use the same level of intelligence and rationality as the rest of us. We all do this to an extent (even atheists and agnostics). |
Very good post, and I think it is something more people should take into account when arguing. Calling someone stupid, irrational, ignorant, etc. is only going to make the person less likely to listen to you. Even if someone makes a post you consider to be stupid, address the poster like they are rational and treat them with respect. It not only makes the person more susceptible to your message, but it also keeps things more civil.
ProdigyBam said:
You know, when im dreaming about my grandfathers death and next day it happens, something must be there, if i pray that suddenly we dont write exams in school because i havent learned and it happens, something must be there. My life has became wonderful after I started believing in god again, i feel that i became a better human being, i was an asshole some years ago, now im ´the nicest guy youll ever meet and its not only ME who changed it, but god helped me. I cant explain it, because you cant explain that feeling when you know god is always with you and im so thankful for it that he saved me. |
Congratulation!
You're infected with the mem "god".
It does make life easier and more enjoyable, that's why this mem survived so many thousand years despite of human knowledge.
It's as simple as closing the windows from your computer with "error while loading" to fasten you CPU.
and btw, in my opinion someone who thinks that you just sit in front of water long enough and after a few billion years it will become something complex and wonderful like a human being without help of something "intelligent" (god) seems naive (im not insulting everyone just my personal opinion), and im not a creationist. ;)
Fedor Emelianenko - Greatest Fighter and most humble man to ever walk the earth:
So you argue that believing in the theory of evolution is more naiv than believing in god?