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DonFerrari said:
thranx said:

They also announced the timed exclusive DLC in june. http://www.product-reviews.net/2010/06/15/call-of-duty-black-ops-dlc-map-packs-on-xbox-360-first/

its missing from the op post. Perhaps this small fee is in payment for the timed exclusive DLC for 2 years. Which is what MS should be doing with our money. Making live better than its competitors by bringing in more content before they can.

To my other point about comparing it to cable, where on your aggreeement does it say where your money goes? Why expect the same from MS? I have never had a contract for a service such as cable break down which channnel gets which money. You just pay for a service or package and get what you get, just like live. You pay for live service and get access to its feautures. There is no need to know where your money went, just that you got what you paid for.

So you think for you to be pleased on Live, PSN shouldn't have the same features?

Maybe to gloat about why it's worth to pay a game per year on fee?

I do not care about PSN yet, i do not have a ps3. But the fact is if you have live you will play map packs sooner than if you play on ps3. Thats a plus is it not?

 

I already said what please me with live. All i want is how they do matchmaking, and now i enjoy netfilx too. I have payed the same for live since they launched it on xbox and since than all they have done is add more and more features. I figured we were long over do for a price increase as i thought it was a steal before because i enjoy the match making so much.

If you do not enjoy live so be it. Its a great service for match making, the best I have ever used any where on any platform. I do not see any service coming close to it in the near future. At least for what I want in an online service.

 

I also do not care how they spend the money i give them as its their choice. I do not care how any company spends my dollars so long as i get what i wanted from them and the money is not used for some illegal act. But in the case of MS for live to me it looks like most money goes back to improving the service. Even if that means exclusive content for games i may not play. I probably wont even get tha map packs as i do not enjoy CoD as much as Halo and I only have so much time for onlline gaming as i enjoy single player more.



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KylieDog said:
Mr Puggsly said:
KylieDog said:
Mr Puggsly said:
makingmusic476 said:

I wonder how people that don't play Call of Duty feel.  They're paying to subsidize a franchise they don't play.

You don't even know how much they get.

Lets go crazy and speculate! Say MS gives Activision $0.25 from every account and lets assume there are 10 million Gold accounts. That's millions of dollars for Activision just for their support.

Now what does Activision get for having the most popular game on PS3 and PSN? Hmmmm...


Millions of sales, poor them huh.

Right, and it helps sell Sony hardware.


Many games shift hardware, should they all get a proportionate percentage of the XBL fee?  If a game only has 20% of the players CoD does should it get only 5 cents, using your example figure.

 

Upping the fee for CoD onto people who do not play it is bogus.

No, because activision is also the biggest publisher in the world. CoD is their biggest console franchise, sure, but overall they account for a lot of games, CoD is just the biggest seller. Bear in mind, even if a game sells a few million copies, it's probably not bringing people onto live for $5/month. CoD is one of the few franchises with enough popularity to, on its own, convince people to subscribe to gold, and thus be worth a modest share of the profits.



Doobie_wop said:
Mr Puggsly said:
KylieDog said:


Many games shift hardware, should they all get a proportionate percentage of the XBL fee?  If a game only has 20% of the players CoD does should it get only 5 cents, using your example figure.

 

Upping the fee for CoD onto people who do not play it is bogus.

If a publisher has an extremely popular Xbox Live game, I can understand why they would want a piece of the profits. Especially if its a big reason people subscribe to Xbox Live and it helped make the service a success.

I highly doubt they upped the fees just to cover CoD.

Whether you pay for Xbox Live or PSN Plus, you're likely paying the fees for some features you don't actually use.

I don't get it. You don't think it's wrong that Live members who aren't playing COD are being pushed into paying extra for a service they aren't using? If Live has 20 million Gold members, but only 10 million play Call of Duty, that means that they're kinda screwing the other 10 million. I don't know, I can't condone those kind of actions.

@thranx. Your trying to turn this into something that it isn't and your going to be burned eventually when people starting jumping into this thread and making list wars and all that nonsense.

This is all supposition. Lets say 60% of live users play CoD. Live can easily calculate stats on that. Maybe they have a system worked out where activisions get x% (say 20%) of subscription fees where live users play ONLY CoD, and a reduced rate, say 5% for users play play CoD and other games, and 0% for non CoD players. We don't know. It would be a very easy system to set up. Now you may think, "but hey, I pay the same extra 80 cents a month either way." True, but if you signed up for gold, you use something on gold that's worth that money, right? Noone's whining that Xbox live is a better service because games like Halo and CoD bring more people onboard, even though people who play JUST to play those have subsidized costs for other lesser services this whole time.

The fact is, everyone that uses gold uses aspects of the service, which is still dirt cheap. But if you play CoD, you know your monthly payment has some of it go to activision. The only other way would be to make everything on live a la carte, and get nickel and dimed for every service and major game. I play Halo but not CoD, I should only pay $57.50 a year! I play CoD but not Halo, I should pay $56.25!   The price "hike" was what, 80 cents a month? And that's after the price didn't rise for inflation for 8 years? Logically, MS made a reasonable price hike, and make a DLC deal for activision out of their margin, NOT out of your pocket.



thranx said:
DonFerrari said:
thranx said:

They also announced the timed exclusive DLC in june. http://www.product-reviews.net/2010/06/15/call-of-duty-black-ops-dlc-map-packs-on-xbox-360-first/

its missing from the op post. Perhaps this small fee is in payment for the timed exclusive DLC for 2 years. Which is what MS should be doing with our money. Making live better than its competitors by bringing in more content before they can.

To my other point about comparing it to cable, where on your aggreeement does it say where your money goes? Why expect the same from MS? I have never had a contract for a service such as cable break down which channnel gets which money. You just pay for a service or package and get what you get, just like live. You pay for live service and get access to its feautures. There is no need to know where your money went, just that you got what you paid for.

So you think for you to be pleased on Live, PSN shouldn't have the same features?

Maybe to gloat about why it's worth to pay a game per year on fee?

I do not care about PSN yet, i do not have a ps3. But the fact is if you have live you will play map packs sooner than if you play on ps3. Thats a plus is it not?

 

I already said what please me with live. All i want is how they do matchmaking, and now i enjoy netfilx too. I have payed the same for live since they launched it on xbox and since than all they have done is add more and more features. I figured we were long over do for a price increase as i thought it was a steal before because i enjoy the match making so much.

If you do not enjoy live so be it. Its a great service for match making, the best I have ever used any where on any platform. I do not see any service coming close to it in the near future. At least for what I want in an online service.

 

I also do not care how they spend the money i give them as its their choice. I do not care how any company spends my dollars so long as i get what i wanted from them and the money is not used for some illegal act. But in the case of MS for live to me it looks like most money goes back to improving the service. Even if that means exclusive content for games i may not play. I probably wont even get tha map packs as i do not enjoy CoD as much as Halo and I only have so much time for onlline gaming as i enjoy single player more.

I have no problem with Live, altough i wouldn't pay to play online a game i already paied...

My observation were just to the fact that you were rejoicing that they could use the money to buy exclusive content and make the game on Xbox better than on PS and this way screw the other system users... if you just did said, you were happy your money were used to make better games (for you or everyone) i would have no problem... but the way you said closely resembled fanboyism.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
thranx said:
DonFerrari said:
thranx said:

They also announced the timed exclusive DLC in june. http://www.product-reviews.net/2010/06/15/call-of-duty-black-ops-dlc-map-packs-on-xbox-360-first/

its missing from the op post. Perhaps this small fee is in payment for the timed exclusive DLC for 2 years. Which is what MS should be doing with our money. Making live better than its competitors by bringing in more content before they can.

To my other point about comparing it to cable, where on your aggreeement does it say where your money goes? Why expect the same from MS? I have never had a contract for a service such as cable break down which channnel gets which money. You just pay for a service or package and get what you get, just like live. You pay for live service and get access to its feautures. There is no need to know where your money went, just that you got what you paid for.

So you think for you to be pleased on Live, PSN shouldn't have the same features?

Maybe to gloat about why it's worth to pay a game per year on fee?

I do not care about PSN yet, i do not have a ps3. But the fact is if you have live you will play map packs sooner than if you play on ps3. Thats a plus is it not?

 

I already said what please me with live. All i want is how they do matchmaking, and now i enjoy netfilx too. I have payed the same for live since they launched it on xbox and since than all they have done is add more and more features. I figured we were long over do for a price increase as i thought it was a steal before because i enjoy the match making so much.

If you do not enjoy live so be it. Its a great service for match making, the best I have ever used any where on any platform. I do not see any service coming close to it in the near future. At least for what I want in an online service.

 

I also do not care how they spend the money i give them as its their choice. I do not care how any company spends my dollars so long as i get what i wanted from them and the money is not used for some illegal act. But in the case of MS for live to me it looks like most money goes back to improving the service. Even if that means exclusive content for games i may not play. I probably wont even get tha map packs as i do not enjoy CoD as much as Halo and I only have so much time for onlline gaming as i enjoy single player more.

I have no problem with Live, altough i wouldn't pay to play online a game i already paied...

My observation were just to the fact that you were rejoicing that they could use the money to buy exclusive content and make the game on Xbox better than on PS and this way screw the other system users... if you just did said, you were happy your money were used to make better games (for you or everyone) i would have no problem... but the way you said closely resembled fanboyism.


i never mentioned ps. i said all competitors.



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Mr Puggsly said:
Calmador said:
KylieDog said:


Many games shift hardware, should they all get a proportionate percentage of the XBL fee?  If a game only has 20% of the players CoD does should it get only 5 cents, using your example figure.

 

Upping the fee for CoD onto people who do not play it is bogus.


Just wanted to say that ESPN recently made it's way to Xbox live and I think it's safe to say that part of the increase in price of XBL went to ESPN.

How much do you think those services like ESPN, Facebook, Netflix, and others get really?

I doubt they even get a dollar from each account. They are free services elsewhere so MS can't be giving them a big piece.

I never said it was a big piece. I just said ESPN probably gets a piece.



All gaming systems, consoles/PC, have thier perks... why fight over preferences? I like Coke and you like Pepsi, that's it, let's not fight over which toy we like best cause that's what they are. Is someone's preference in a toy important or is the relationship between you and your neighbor more important? Answer is obvious, but THE most important thing is your relationship with God almighty. God Bless you in Jesus's name.

I can communicate without talking... I can send a loved one money without actually sending money... and I can commit theft without the product disappearing, the point of theft is the point of theft not one of it's possible symptoms which is the product dissappearing. The thief wants to gain something without paying for it, that's the point of theft, the thief doesn't have to care or anybody else has to care if the product dissappears. The product dissappearing is just a possible symptom of theft. Gifts are sacrfices, in order to give a gift, it has to be a genuine sacrfice/gift, meaning a copy of the game isn't still in your PC. Piracy is theft and/or being a culprit of theft.

thranx said:
DonFerrari said:
thranx said:
DonFerrari said:
thranx said:

They also announced the timed exclusive DLC in june. http://www.product-reviews.net/2010/06/15/call-of-duty-black-ops-dlc-map-packs-on-xbox-360-first/

its missing from the op post. Perhaps this small fee is in payment for the timed exclusive DLC for 2 years. Which is what MS should be doing with our money. Making live better than its competitors by bringing in more content before they can.

To my other point about comparing it to cable, where on your aggreeement does it say where your money goes? Why expect the same from MS? I have never had a contract for a service such as cable break down which channnel gets which money. You just pay for a service or package and get what you get, just like live. You pay for live service and get access to its feautures. There is no need to know where your money went, just that you got what you paid for.

So you think for you to be pleased on Live, PSN shouldn't have the same features?

Maybe to gloat about why it's worth to pay a game per year on fee?

I do not care about PSN yet, i do not have a ps3. But the fact is if you have live you will play map packs sooner than if you play on ps3. Thats a plus is it not?

 

I already said what please me with live. All i want is how they do matchmaking, and now i enjoy netfilx too. I have payed the same for live since they launched it on xbox and since than all they have done is add more and more features. I figured we were long over do for a price increase as i thought it was a steal before because i enjoy the match making so much.

If you do not enjoy live so be it. Its a great service for match making, the best I have ever used any where on any platform. I do not see any service coming close to it in the near future. At least for what I want in an online service.

 

I also do not care how they spend the money i give them as its their choice. I do not care how any company spends my dollars so long as i get what i wanted from them and the money is not used for some illegal act. But in the case of MS for live to me it looks like most money goes back to improving the service. Even if that means exclusive content for games i may not play. I probably wont even get tha map packs as i do not enjoy CoD as much as Halo and I only have so much time for onlline gaming as i enjoy single player more.

I have no problem with Live, altough i wouldn't pay to play online a game i already paied...

My observation were just to the fact that you were rejoicing that they could use the money to buy exclusive content and make the game on Xbox better than on PS and this way screw the other system users... if you just did said, you were happy your money were used to make better games (for you or everyone) i would have no problem... but the way you said closely resembled fanboyism.


i never mentioned ps. i said all competitors.


Sure you did... and I'm sorry for making it PS vs Xbox ... but the point is the same... altough I believe you were thinking about you having a better experience (nice tought), when you put that way looked like you wanted just for xbox and didn't cared for people playing other systems... sounded a little fanboyish, not that you are one...

As wise members here say... let's compete for first, but more than this let enjoy our games as all of us are gamers... don't be a hater be a gamer...



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
thranx said:
DonFerrari said:
thranx said:
DonFerrari said:
thranx said:

They also announced the timed exclusive DLC in june. http://www.product-reviews.net/2010/06/15/call-of-duty-black-ops-dlc-map-packs-on-xbox-360-first/

its missing from the op post. Perhaps this small fee is in payment for the timed exclusive DLC for 2 years. Which is what MS should be doing with our money. Making live better than its competitors by bringing in more content before they can.

To my other point about comparing it to cable, where on your aggreeement does it say where your money goes? Why expect the same from MS? I have never had a contract for a service such as cable break down which channnel gets which money. You just pay for a service or package and get what you get, just like live. You pay for live service and get access to its feautures. There is no need to know where your money went, just that you got what you paid for.

So you think for you to be pleased on Live, PSN shouldn't have the same features?

Maybe to gloat about why it's worth to pay a game per year on fee?

I do not care about PSN yet, i do not have a ps3. But the fact is if you have live you will play map packs sooner than if you play on ps3. Thats a plus is it not?

 

I already said what please me with live. All i want is how they do matchmaking, and now i enjoy netfilx too. I have payed the same for live since they launched it on xbox and since than all they have done is add more and more features. I figured we were long over do for a price increase as i thought it was a steal before because i enjoy the match making so much.

If you do not enjoy live so be it. Its a great service for match making, the best I have ever used any where on any platform. I do not see any service coming close to it in the near future. At least for what I want in an online service.

 

I also do not care how they spend the money i give them as its their choice. I do not care how any company spends my dollars so long as i get what i wanted from them and the money is not used for some illegal act. But in the case of MS for live to me it looks like most money goes back to improving the service. Even if that means exclusive content for games i may not play. I probably wont even get tha map packs as i do not enjoy CoD as much as Halo and I only have so much time for onlline gaming as i enjoy single player more.

I have no problem with Live, altough i wouldn't pay to play online a game i already paied...

My observation were just to the fact that you were rejoicing that they could use the money to buy exclusive content and make the game on Xbox better than on PS and this way screw the other system users... if you just did said, you were happy your money were used to make better games (for you or everyone) i would have no problem... but the way you said closely resembled fanboyism.


i never mentioned ps. i said all competitors.


Sure you did... and I'm sorry for making it PS vs Xbox ... but the point is the same... altough I believe you were thinking about you having a better experience (nice tought), when you put that way looked like you wanted just for xbox and didn't cared for people playing other systems... sounded a little fanboyish, not that you are one...

As wise members here say... let's compete for first, but more than this let enjoy our games as all of us are gamers... don't be a hater be a gamer...

You mentioned the ps, not me. I only responded to you. My point remains the same its a good idea for microsoft to use live subscription fees to obtain exclusive content. I'm not competing for first on anything so i do not see what your saying there. I am just responding to the fact that some people do not think its fair for ms to use their subscription fees to pay activision for exclusive content



Probably 5-10%