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About the troops in Germany, i think they stayed after WW2 because of the Cold War, remember that Germany (and Berlin) was divided in 4 under the control of  the US, England, France and the Soviet Union, but afterwards, the Soviet Union and the other 3 did not agree at all in the reconstruction of Germany (once again, Cold War), because of this, the US, England and France started a plan for the non-soviet Germany and non-soviet Berlin, and the Soviets did their thing with the rest of Germany, so the DDR (East Germany) and the BRD (West Germany) were born...

So the US troops in Germany was a justified action because of the Soviet Union, of course, that doesn't explain why are they still today, but it explains why they stayed at least until the fall of the USSR and the reunification of the Germanys at the end of the 20th century...



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Joelcool7 said:

Well if the two Korea's merged without fighting a war. If a democratic constitution was written up and set in stone. Then I think their should be a draw back of US forces. However I think it would be foolish for the US to pull out of any asian countries now or in the future.

China is a dog on a leash with the US present. But if the US leaves that dog is going to go nuts. Right now the only thing keeping China from invading Japan, Taiwan and probubly even South Korea is the United States. China is a growing super power and wants to increase its influence. China does not want democracy to spread any further and they want to expand their empire both litterily in land but also militarily.

Disagree? Then why is China building up such military might? China wants to build air carrier's they have Nuclear subs they constantly provoke Japan. The chinese Government even made a game a few years ago in which players played as Chinese soldiers invading Japan.

The US needs to remain in place and in a supportive roll accross asia pacific. Their needs to be competition to speak buisness wise. if China is allowed to rule over the area as an unrivalled super power then they could pressure all the countries around them into doing as they please. But right now countries can choose, a great relationship with China or the United States or in some cases both. But if the US left all the countries would be under the dictatorship of a communist super power.


Actually, they're stopped by their complete lack of capability.  Their Navy is really only up to the task of supporting a month or two of combat before they'd run out of fuel.  Considering the massive embargoes that would also occur, this means there's no way to support such invasions and a huge economic disensentive to even try.  The U.S. presence in Asia isn't really stopping them at all.  What it does do, however, is create the incentive to continue building up militarily.



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mrstickball said:

I believe it would be in everyone's best interest if the US withdrawled. Even prior to the North's collapse, I think it'd still be best if we did remove most or all of our bases.

One of the North's biggest propoganda pieces is that South Korea is a puppet government of America. If you withdraw the troops, then the North has lost their main motivation for argument against the South Korean government.

However, we should keep weapon systems as close as possible, in the event of a war by the North, or China. We have enough material in Japan to provide a good enough deterrent for any sort of provocations.

Motivation doesn't matter when you control information. The only reason North Korea doesn't tell its people not to flee the country becuase the rest of the world is a nuclear wasteland is because you can at least see across the borders



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non-gravity said:
Killiana1a said:

As for Russia, they started this mess by propping up their own little puppet government in North Korea at the end of World War 2. Russia should nut up or shut up because they have no leg to stand on regarding the Koreas other than creating the situation we have now.


The U.S. together with the U.N might as well be responsible for the mess trying to prevent the communists from uniting Korea.

Maybe the case, but that is before both of our times. However, I don't see Russia taking the initiative in the case with North Korea. Their silence along with China's is deafening.



North Korea and North Vietnam in Korean War and Vietnam Wars were proxy wars between US and China/Russia. 

China is supporting North Koreans. Red Communist link is still there. The average person would not be able to tell the difference between a North Korean or a Chinese person unless you checked their passports and documentation. 

North Korea versus South Korea was a proxy China versus US War. 



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starcraft said:
Killiana1a said:

No, the US should keep a military presence in South Korea until both are reunified and every single would-be dictator or co-conspirator in North Korea has been arrested and standing trial. The last thing South Korea wants is for North Korea to agree to reunification, the US pulls all troops, and North Korea invades.

As for Russia, they started this mess by propping up their own little puppet government in North Korea at the end of World War 2. Russia should nut up or shut up because they have no leg to stand on regarding the Koreas other than creating the situation we have now.

I believe China cares so long as there is not war and the threat of nuke usage. China has a good thing going with their economy, their gargantuan trade imbalance with the rest of the world, and the last thing they want is to take sides in a war in which all goods from their country could be embargoed because they do not side properly with South Korea.

I would not be surprised if China along with the US would provide joint security for the reunification.

I don't think it's that goods would be embargoed.  I think that it is the fact a lot of China's wealth is in the form of Western debt they hold.

If there was a war large enough and substantive enough, it is possible the West would deliberately default on all this debt, resulting in the greatest instantaneous transfer of wealth in history (a couple of currently non-existent trillion dollars Europe and America would declare will never be repaid).

Paper currency money is worth jack. Currency exchange rates can be manipulated by Reserve Banks and debts owing to foreign nations can be reduced through currency wars. US could issue a new currency as a last resort, foreign debt would be dodged. 

US Federal Reserve Quantitative Easing is working, $US dollar is de-valuating, US exports become more competitive, American businesses employ more American workers, and US exporters make more money on world markets. Increase imports is no big loss to American economy. Chinese currency is at artificially low rates controlled by its corrupt government who refuse to float the Chinese currency. Inflation will slow the Chinese economy right down. 

The US still holds a lot of the world's Gold reserves stored in its secure vaults. China holds a lot of the World's silver sterling reserves secure in their vaults. Gold is worth a lot more than silver. 



Russia doesn't care, they got their asses kicked in the cold war, and they're trying to be democratic now so they'll stay out of it.

I don't know about China but I think if they're threated by the US in some way they'll back down.

 

But on topic I don't know why US cares so much about Korea anyways. They should just bomb the crap out of North Korea, kill Kim Jong-il and call it a day.



Joelcool7 said:

Well if the two Korea's merged without fighting a war. If a democratic constitution was written up and set in stone. Then I think their should be a draw back of US forces. However I think it would be foolish for the US to pull out of any asian countries now or in the future.

China is a dog on a leash with the US present. But if the US leaves that dog is going to go nuts. Right now the only thing keeping China from invading Japan, Taiwan and probubly even South Korea is the United States. China is a growing super power and wants to increase its influence. China does not want democracy to spread any further and they want to expand their empire both litterily in land but also militarily.

Disagree? Then why is China building up such military might? China wants to build air carrier's they have Nuclear subs they constantly provoke Japan. The chinese Government even made a game a few years ago in which players played as Chinese soldiers invading Japan.

The US needs to remain in place and in a supportive roll accross asia pacific. Their needs to be competition to speak buisness wise. if China is allowed to rule over the area as an unrivalled super power then they could pressure all the countries around them into doing as they please. But right now countries can choose, a great relationship with China or the United States or in some cases both. But if the US left all the countries would be under the dictatorship of a communist super power.


It's impressive how people think US is World Super Police, a.k.a. Uchiha's in Naruto maybe?

Maybe everyone should mind their own bussiness.



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im_sneaky said:

Why does everyone assume that without the US present in every situation, China will immediately invade everybody?

Taiwan maybe, but Japan and korea?


Because they have to believe they matter.



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The Anarchyz said:

About the troops in Germany, i think they stayed after WW2 because of the Cold War, remember that Germany (and Berlin) was divided in 4 under the control of  the US, England, France and the Soviet Union, but afterwards, the Soviet Union and the other 3 did not agree at all in the reconstruction of Germany (once again, Cold War), because of this, the US, England and France started a plan for the non-soviet Germany and non-soviet Berlin, and the Soviets did their thing with the rest of Germany, so the DDR (East Germany) and the BRD (West Germany) were born...

So the US troops in Germany was a justified action because of the Soviet Union, of course, that doesn't explain why are they still today, but it explains why they stayed at least until the fall of the USSR and the reunification of the Germanys at the end of the 20th century...

War retaliation, peace agreements and germany folks still accepting defeat and the humiliation this impose.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."