First politician sacked due to Wikileaks:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/03/wikileaks-first-scalp-german-aide
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| Farmageddon said: KAZ Not gonna quote anything, I mostly agree with you, but I think you may be a bit extremist or maybe passionate about this feminist/rape thing. Do you think it's just as bad if you forcibly rape someone (withouth a condom) as if you "simply" deceive them and don't use a condom? I'm by no means saying the later is acceptable or anything near it, but I think there's a difference. Do you? Also, is it normal for the Interpol to look for this kind of thing? I'm really asking as I don't know. Anwyay, what I really wanted to say and my point on you being a little over board was that, yeah, it's kind of hard to convict for rape on these cloudy situations, but you can't really go all out and simply punish the guy by default. The way it is some women you abuse it (it's not most cases, I agree). If it was actually easy to convict it would happen a lot more, and that would really, really suck. It's also completly against the well respected principle that you can't convict someone of a crime unless there's really good evidence, the whole burden of proof thing, etc, that's in place for any other kind of trial. These things just can be really nebulous by their nature but your approach seems to be the wrong one. I'm all for equality, but reversing the burden of proof in something this shady (not this specific case) is all but equality. Edit: Oh, I do find the UK thing funny. There, I made an on-topic comment :P |
Just as bad? Of course not. It's still rape though and a serious crime that should be punished.
I'm not asking he be "punished by default". I'm saying that he should stand trial. While everyone else is crying setup and that he should elude the authorties... based on very average circumstances and onesided leaks from his Lawyer.
Heck we don't even know if that's all he was charged with. I've just been giving him the beenfit of the doubt and picking the "least bad" thing he could of been charged for. The offical warrant reads Rape, Molestation and unlawful sexual cooercition.
That it's soley a condom issue is just his ex-laywers stance... and likely not the case since if it was.. Sweden couldn't extradite, cause the penalty isn't large enough.
The ONLY offical report we have is some of the leaked police reports which say that consented sex became unconsented during the encounter.
| sapphi_snake said: Question: If a man and a woman had sex, and the man said "I won't have sex with you unless you're on the pill" and the woman lied that she was, would that also be considered rape? |
Yes. This happened to a close friend of mine, seriously fucked him over for a while.
EDIT: Never mind
Its great to see 2 forum users arguing on a forum on over 10 pages and knowing NEITHER of them would EVER give up or just LET IT GO or (GOD FORBID) ADMIT they are wrong. Its so amusing to watch while eating pop corn
SamuelRSmith said:
Yes. This happened to a close friend of mine, seriously fucked him over for a while. |
Was the thing that traumatised him the fact that the girl got pregnant, or that he was decieved into "unconsented sexual acts"?
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| pizzahut451 said: Its great to see 2 forum users arguing on a forum on over 10 pages and knowing NEITHER of them would EVER give up or just LET IT GO or (GOD FORBID) ADMIT they are wrong. Its so amusing to watch while eating pop corn |
Neither of us will be able to say that the other is wrong 'till the trial takes place and we hear what the actual evidence against the guy is. And of course we need to hear both sides of the story and all. Mostly this was a battle of pressumptions, and honestly it was kinda pointless.
"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"
"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."
(The Voice of a Generation and Seece)
"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"
(pizzahut451)
She didn't get pregnant.
| Kasz216 said: As for the actual leaks... this one is pretty hilarious.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11917398
It makes the UK government sound like... I dunno.
"we're still super special best friends right?"
This is my point though, about stuff that's funny... but there was no real reason to release it. |
Especially odd given that the previous Labour leaders were accused of being US lapdogs. One of those things that anti-American Brits (if there are any) would be screwed about: neither party cares about their viewpoints
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| SamuelRSmith said: She didn't get pregnant. |
Well, he must be a very sensitive guy then...
"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"
"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."
(The Voice of a Generation and Seece)
"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"
(pizzahut451)
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