I was looking at the Kinect, after being bombarded with SO much advertising i was thinking ' umm should i? ' the current shoval ware isn't my taste but future games could be good but then it struck me.

All the games currently are 'Rail game' all on fixed movements with scripted events. Now thats the biggest issue with the Kinect. 

There is currently No way to move an character in 3 Dimensions  

they cant have you walk forward to move forward or move back for back because its an camera on an fixed position. Unless they give you an treadmill they have to add an controller with an analog stick to do it. 

But if they were to do that, it defeats the purpose of 'you are the controller' marketing push.

So either Microsoft have to come out and say okay we are adding an controller so more better software can be made for it than do it now. think of the possibilities of the kinect with an small analog controller. 

now think of it now. There is an Huge hole in what developers can do with the kinect and there is only so much before the end up the same. Look at kinect launch majority of titles are either sports, dance or exercise games. And you cant keep releasing those things over and over. 

If i was Microsoft i would drop the You are the controller marketing, yea there are games for that but they are limiting the software by SO MUCH. 

Discuss 

btw: they should drop the revolutionary push too, because isn't that innovative. Are we calling the move revolutionary, no we aren't because the Wii has done it for 4 years no. So whats with the Kinect, its an improved Eyetoy it deserves the same treatment as the Move. 

I think the real problem is that many people seriously believe Kinect to be a revolution that will make traditional controllers obsolete. It's much more appropriate to consider Kinect as a kind of special controller optimized for certain games. Flight sticks for example are perfect for flight games but they suck for pretty much all other games. Microphones are great for karaoke games but you can't use them in other games. Racing wheels are fantastic for racing games. Kinect is just perfect for sports/fitness and dance games, but for pretty much all other games there are simply better control schemes.

The publishers will of course nevertheless try to adopt traditional games to Kinect, but they're not going to be successful. Kinect Joy Ride is a perfect example - making a racer with Kinect-only-controls can be done, but you have to make so many sacrifices that the result just sucks. It's like making a jump & run work with a racing wheel. Kinect will only be successful where it's superior to existing control schemes - dancing is a perfect example, but there are simply very few types of games where this is the case.

Once they give kinect dev tools in indie devs, you will see the real innovation!

LOL nothing innovative can be done with kinect it's meant to make people think it's innovative, it's a marketing scam at this point, MS set the bar too high and is now screwed so is just trying to break even before the thing bombs, I'm actually disappointed in how many people think it's revolutionary or innovative or going to end up having innovative games, I mean I know people are usually stupid but it's just getting sad 

Yeah!  A negative Kinect thread because people are so afraid of it's crazy success and innovation!

you will be surprised of how many people are actually enjoying Kinect right now. Well I guess you are too cool to play Kinect so...

They already said hybrid games are in production, so the whole "you are the controller" marketing line as fallen apart already.

Lol no it hasn't.  You are still the controller for every non-hybrid game.  Fail.

simple people are easily amused, buying kinect for the simplistic and crappy games it has (which are the only ones it's capable of) just isn't worth the price, they'd be better off with ball in a cup 

Already we have in this thread.

Not innovative

It is just a better EyeToy

You are not the controller because Hybrid games are coming out

I actually own the Kinect and I can say it is innovative even with the current crop of games. You can move forwards and backwards in the same way you can move left and right. You are restricted in that movment because of space. Of course if running on the spot does not work for a game then no reason why you could not stick and leg forwad then back (remember the gas pedal for the racing game demo) to stimulate forward and backward movment in the same manor as sticking your leg left or right would block a pass in the football game.

I think it is actually time you guys took a rest from dreaming up all the reasons why you think it will not succeed sit back watch it succeed and start thinking out the box a bit more.

Classic flame bait attempt disguised as a meaningful discussion.