Before anyone says it, I'm not a fanboy, I would just like to point out that whatever way you look at it the wii has already won this gen, even if nintendo dont sell another wii from this point on sony and MS would still need about a years to catch up

You must be a fanboy, fanboys can't count!

Psst it would need at least a couple of years at about their fastest ever sales rate.

Like I said multiple times, even if you throw out the part about Microsoft warranty replacements, which is perfectly fine, their number is STILL inflated by RROD replacements by people who weren't in warranty, or had their warranty through an insurance company such as Black Tie or Walmarts replacement guarantee, or those who just didn't care or know better, and bought another one. Those increased their numbers, period.

Wii's already won the generation.  Kinect and Move are proof positive of that, it's already fundamentally changed the industry in the way only a market leader can.

And Wii can probably expect to move around ~25-30% of it's total sales after it's successor comes out.  That's how much hugely successful systems tend to move at that point (NES, SNES, PS, GBA), the only one to really buck that trend was PS2 (it did more), and that can probably be attributed (in part) to PS3 flopping so hard out the gates.  100m is probably the absolute minimum we can expect for Wii's lifetime sales, it's almost guaranteed at this point.

You've expressed your clear ignorance of company sales practices and have repeatedly outright lied about company policies. When asked to show proof you link a gamespot poll. Everything you have said is a complete joke to anyone with an ounce of sense and any knowledge of the games industry. Which is pretty much every regular forum goer on this website.

Please explain to us how the 360 has such a high attach rate if console sales are significantly inflated. According to you each 360 owner should on average purchase 20 games.

First off, I didn't link the "gamespot" poll even concerning anything I was saying. Your argument is posted in ignorance, since you didn't even read the thread. If you had, you'd realize the "gamespot" (I'm putting it in quotations because it wasn't a Gamespot poll, it was Gamespot reporting on a Game Informer survey of 5,000 console owners. Of course if you had actually clicked the link, you would have known that.)

So Mendicate Bias, are you saying that RROD systems didn't inflate the number of sales Microsoft has had with this console? Are you disputing that the high percentage of RROD systems didn't sell more systems for Microsoft?

So feel free to try to flame me because I'm stating something against your precious system fanboy. As I said, I own 6 of the system, 3 of which have red-ringed, 2 of which can't, and one I guarantee will red-ring soon enough. But you know. I'm clearly not a 360 fan. *rolls eyes*

So I'm calling you out Mendicate Bias. I want you to tell everyone you don't feel the high percentage of RROD systems didn't boost the number of systems Microsoft sold. Either you'll never reply, realizing your baseless attack (flame) was incorrect and ignorant, or you'll reply, and you'll be flat out wrong.

You took 1 very small detail I said, which I also agreed to throw out that part of my argument, and tried to disqualify all of the CORRECT information I posted based off of that. So will you man up? I doubt it.

If your type of "gamer" is what people can expect to see here, I clearly have no place on these forums. Intelligent arguement and discussion is attacked by a fanboy who can't stand to hear his precious X-Box has some shortcomings.

So I'm calling you out Mendicate Bias. I want you to tell everyone you don't feel the high percentage of RROD systems didn't boost the number of systems Microsoft sold. Either you'll never reply, realizing your baseless attack (flame) was incorrect and ignorant, or you'll reply, and you'll be flat out wrong.

So instead of replying to my one question you go off on a personal attack.

Yeah your definitely not going to last long here.

You mad?

Last I checked, I didn't directly address you or anyone else. Sounds to me like you're feeling a little bit sensitive about this whole situation. 

Look at past leading consoles. Did the PS2 suddenly see a GIGANTIC drop in sales in its 4th year like the Wii just did? No, because the PS2 had incredible games to spur demand (such as San Andreas). Nintendo completely dropped the ball with the Wii and got arrogant. The PS2 had a way, way higher marketshare than the Wii does now, but that didn't mean it suddenly saw a gigantic drop in sales. Total sales don't matter, because at this point, the Wii still has the potential to at least double its userbase by the end of its cycle (adding at least another 70 million consoles sold). So that argument gets thrown out the window.

See what I mean about being desperate to prove your argument? Your arguments are weak and unfounded.

But don't start crying to me about it. Boo hoo.

Nintendo is doing well, This year they will pass 80M world wide with WII & their console will surley go over 120M in the end , first place finish is guaranteed.

I think if they are clever they will benefit from a head-start to next-Gen consoles as they will be the first to release a new console, hopefully like they intend to do with 3DS.

"Please explain to us how the 360 has such a high attach rate if console sales are significantly inflated. According to you each 360 owner should on average purchase 20 games."

You're creating a question that is completely irrelevant. I knew you wouldn't answer, so let me show you further proof.

https://www.squaretrade.com/htm/pdf/SquareTrade_Xbox360_PS3_Wii_Reliability_0809.pdf

Wanna dismiss this study too? This was done by one of the many companies who replace your system if it dies. The name of the company is Squaretrade. When they replace your system, Microsoft gets another sale. They purchase a new system, and send it to you. Not Microsoft, THEY purchase it.

"This analysis examines customer reported failure data on over 16,000 game consoles purchased by SquareTrade customers over the past two years.."

"Looking at the first 2 years of use, we found that Wii consoles had a reported failure rate of 2.7%, significantly lower than both the Xbox 360 and PS3 consoles. When including the infamous “Red Ring of Death” (RROD) problem that has plagued Xbox 360 systems, the Xbox 360 had a reported failure rate of 23.7%, nearly 9 times that of the Wii. PS3 consoles ranked in the middle of our study, with a reported failure rate of 10.0% over the course of 2 years."

"With nearly 1 in 4 systems experiencing a reported failure over 24 months, we found the Xbox 360 to be historically the least reliable of the 3 game systems."

"Microsoft’s policy may result in an underreporting of failures by Xbox 360 owners to SquareTrade, relative to the other two consoles. Because the RROD problem is so widely known to be covered by Microsoft’s warranty, we believe that more customers bypass SquareTrade and reported failures directly to the Microsoft. In a survey of SquareTrade customers with Xbox 360s conducted by email, SquareTrade found that over half of our customers who experienced a RROD error reported their problem directly to Microsoft without contacting SquareTrade."

"With that caveat in mind, applying the survey data to the analysis shows that the Xbox 360 failure rate could be as high as 35%."

So here, I'll answer your question, so that in order to reply, you will have to respond to mine. (Which you can't)

I show the 360 attach rate being 9%. If an independant study shows 54.2% failure rate, and a Squaretrade study shows 35%, with around 24% being replaced without going through the warranty, that would say ~24% (Rounded for ease) are inflated.

So if you take 9% attach rate, reduce the number of consoles by 24% which gives you (if you're being generous) a true number of 34.3M consoles out there, (This would be based off of Squaretrade numbers, which would NOT include those systems replaced by Microsoft, thus would NOT include ANY serviced by Microsoft 360's, just the percentage of those replaced by 3rd party insurance, and would not even include those serviced by Black Tie, Wal-Mart etc.) you end up with an attach rate of around 13%, rounding and being generous for the sake of argument.

I've now responded to your pointless question, let's see you answer mine. (You won't)