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You somehow managed to quote my post in between the 30 seconds it took for me to click "edit" and "post". >.>

Not mass appeal...none of those really, the FF you say is FF11....a MMO

Those games DID have appeal...and  thats why Xbox 360 has done better than Xbox in Japan.

The Japanese have been unfair to the xbox 360.....but it didn't have any mass appeal games on it, no potential 1 million plus sellers. 360 needed a single player FF, Dragon Quest or Mosnter Hunter to be exclusive to it

So you are saying that the 360 does have a lot of games that appeal to Japanese players?  Not as big as FF of course... but even the Playstation is losing their exclusive FF in Japan.

Not a lot no, because a lot of the appeal in the games you listed will cross-over....but yeah it does have games that appeal thats why Xbox 360 has done much better than the original Xbox in Japan....360 could've done worse....actually it seemed like it was gonna do worse early on.

I still fail to see how 60(plus) games that cater to Japanese taste isn't considered a lot but not much point in arguing. ^_^ 

Its a lot

But so many of those games are in the same genre or pretty niche

so that "a lot" isn't really that big of a deal

Fighters: DoA, Tekken, Soul Caliber 

Shooters: Earth Defense, Lost Planet, Vanquish

Other: Beautiful Katamari, Culdcept Saga, Ace Combat 

Jrpgs: LO, Blue Dragon, Magna Carta 2

MMOs: FF XI, Monster Hunter

SRPGs: Operation Darkness, Spectral Wars 3, Record of Argarest War

Racers: PGR4, Forza 3, Grid 

Schmups: Deathsmiles, Ikaruga

Dating Sims: Idol M@ster

Sims: Viva Pinata!?!

They have a nice range of games in genres...

It's not style its brand and the bigger brands that matter.  Sure, 360 got a boost from getting some early timed exclusives but once the game was up that they were timed and the big franchises like FF were exclusive that was it for jRPGs, for example.  It didn't have MGS or Gran Turismo.

My point - for others asking same thing 'cause I'm not going to post multiple replies - is that the 360 has less games they want, with less titles from big franchises, and too many games they don't want - like Halo, etc. vs the PS3 in the region.

Tales, Star Ocean are all multi now and the only real 360 exclusives for the region are small.  Consider that vs Metal Gear solid being exclusive (up to now), Final Fantasy (at launch) being exclusive, Gran Tourismo being exclusive and so on.

So if I'm in Japan why should I get 360 for say Blue Dragon and miss Final Fantasy?  Or get 360 for Forza and miss Gran Turismo.  Add to that brand perception favours the PS3 (but not due to origin country but historic franchises/titles), the fact I understand paying for Live doesn't compute locally in Japan and the 360's known franchises/reputation is Western centric (Halo, CoD, Gears, etc) and the result is obvious.  Factor in that historically the 360 had a poor reputation for reliability and the console just doesn't seem appealing for a lot of reasons that have nothing to do with it being from a US company.

Brand and image are what count - something MS know and covered well in US/Europe to see big growth from Xbox, but Japan has eluded them.  I thought when Tales, etc. was exclusive 360 might gain a true foothold but it's clear to me that once it became clear locally that they were timed exclusives and it looked like all major franchises would be available on PS3 too that was the end.  Failing to have FFXIII at launch was also a huge blow for 360 in the region, plus the fact MGS had already launched on PS3.

I'd agree than in principle 360 has plenty of titles for Japan, but it doens't have the biggest ones nor they key franchises nor the right brand image.  However, none of this has to do with it being from US.  It could be from Japan but if all else was equal - image of being FPS centric, Halo / CoD centric, missing key franchises at launch like MGS4 and FFXIII, unreliable, etc. then it still wouldn't sell.

The arguement the 360 has titles reversed would imply that the PS3 should be more accepted in the US - after all it has great titles in all genres, arguably similar features at a better price (free PSN vs paid for Live) yet is sells less than 360.  Because its Japanese?  No, because 360 has better brand perception currently and more popular franchises such as Halo.

Which is why the whole "it's the fact it's a US console" is a myth regarding 360 in Japan.  It just launched with a weak brand, failed to get key franchises when it mattered most, wasn't reliable enough at the right time and couldn't shake of a brand image deliberately pushed by its own company and now it's so far behind it's unlikely anything (includig Kinect) can reverse the trend.

EDIT: let's put it this way, if I argued that PS3 has Killzone, Resistance, etc but not Halo and that you should swap from 360 to PS3 would you?  That's the question for 360 in Japan.  Would you swap from Gran Turismo to Forza, would you swap from Final Fantasy to Blue Dragon?  If you are US based and won't swap from 360 to PS3 to get similar but less popular franchises in popular genres why should you expect the Japanese to swap to suit your tastes?  Just as you might prefer Halo to Killzone they prefer Gran Turismo to Forza.  That's just the way it is and that's why the PS3 is more popular than the 360.

man Nintendo vs Sega War was the shit lol,

Tales at least seems to have become a smaller franchise than it once was, at least given that Bandai-Namco won't even localize it anymore :X