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Reasonable on 11 November 2010
disolitude said:
Reasonable said:

Sounds to me from the reviews I've read that neither console is that great in 3D for this game.  3D seems to have been grafted onto the title and everything I've read seems to indicate it adds nothing really but drops the frame rate.

I'm not convinced that anything other than games developed from the ground up for 3D (and by that I mean engine and level design) will result in 3D as more of an added gimmick that doesn't improve the game.

Even on Nvidia forums the initial reaction has been that the 3D effect is not great at all on PC.

1080p per eye and 120 frames per second...and still apaprently sucks. Shows that tech stuf is meaningless, its the game that matters...


Yup.  I also think that unless the game uses the 3D - and that means level design, etc. - then it simply won't add much overall.  And of course it's probable that most games will be designed for 2D in terms of levels, gameplay, etc. then extended into 3D, which means in a sense they won't really be using the medium.



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nickvasko on 11 November 2010

i didnt even know that the 360 could do stereoscopic 3D



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disolitude on 11 November 2010
nickvasko said:

i didnt even know that the 360 could do stereoscopic 3D

Sega master system could back in 1986...why cant 360? :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_Master_System#SegaScope_3-D_Glasses



hikaruchan on 11 November 2010
Reasonable said:

Sounds to me from the reviews I've read that neither console is that great in 3D for this game.  3D seems to have been grafted onto the title and everything I've read seems to indicate it adds nothing really but drops the frame rate.

I'm not convinced that anything other than games developed from the ground up for 3D (and by that I mean engine and level design) will result in 3D as more of an added gimmick that doesn't improve the game.

Agreed if the engine is not optimized it is just for the sticker on the box.

 



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FreeTalkLive on 11 November 2010

I'm sure the PC experince is better than the PS3 one.  But really, starting next year, when the average person thinks 3D gaming, they will be far more likely to think 3DS than PS3 and Xbox 360 combined.



 

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Solid_Snake4RD on 11 November 2010

disolitude said:

Solid_Snake4RD said:
 




I just saw that video in full and Im sorry I fail to see how that test applies to 3D.

Also his test is flawed. The 360 dashboard is set to be upscaled to 1080p, but games are able to push true 1080p if optimized.Perfect Dark remake and Virtua Tennis 3 do so...

Both consoles can push higher resolutions than 720p...but in COD Black ops, they are unable to do 720p in 2D. Why do you think PS3 is able to push >720p resolutions in 3D and can't keep up in 2d?


360 wasn't made as a 1080p console,it was upgraded later on thats what it showed that 360 wasn't native even though MS calls it native

and the video was supposed to show that only

 

that Black ops resolution went down from 600p to 300p for 3D cause of the limitation

PS3 was 600p but its ability and HDMI can both frames 600p not 300p

 

that was the reasoning.



disolitude on 11 November 2010
Solid_Snake4RD said:

disolitude said:

Solid_Snake4RD said:
 



 


I just saw that video in full and Im sorry I fail to see how that test applies to 3D.

Also his test is flawed. The 360 dashboard is set to be upscaled to 1080p, but games are able to push true 1080p if optimized.Perfect Dark remake and Virtua Tennis 3 do so...

Both consoles can push higher resolutions than 720p...but in COD Black ops, they are unable to do 720p in 2D. Why do you think PS3 is able to push >720p resolutions in 3D and can't keep up in 2d?


360 wasn't made as a 1080p console,it was upgraded later on thats what it showed that 360 wasn't native even though MS calls it native

and the video was supposed to show that only

 

that Black ops resolution went down from 600p to 300p for 3D cause of the limitation

PS3 was 600p but its ability and HDMI can both frames 600p not 300p

 

that was the reasoning.

I'll argue that you are wrong here. 

First of all check Perfect Dark remake on the 360, it is native 1080p. The dashboard upscales to 1080p but games are fully capable of 1080p on the 360 as are movies.

Secondly, Black ops on the 360 goes form 600p in 2D to 720p in 3D. Because 3D requires to display 2 frames, each frame is 360p wide and then is scaled to 720p by the TV.

On the Ps3, game runs in sub 600p in 2D...and in 3D it runs in 1470p. Each frame already scaled to 720p by the PS3 because that is how these new 3D TVs work.  DF can not determine the the true PS3 3D frame resolution because its is scaled before it reaches the TV. It could be 300p, 320p, 360p or even higher per frame... The ONLY difference between 3D method on the PS3 and 360 is taht for 360 TV does the image scaling, for PS3 version, PS3 does it before it reaches the TV.

Now any resonable person should be able to conclude that since PS3 version in 2D and 3D runs worse than 360 version, it most likely is running around 320-360p per frame in 3D, which is around the same as the 360 version. There is no special magic PS3 can do to squeeze extra performance for 3D if the game is struggling in 2D...



Cheebee on 11 November 2010
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Cheebee said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Cheebee said:

... 3DS?

I'm pretty sure its 3D will be superior to anything PS3 could output.


3DS won't be 3DS if it could do that as it would need to be a console

... What?

it would be a big explaination

 

you tell me hoe 3ds would be better and i will tell you how it won't

 

that way we only concentrate on that point

Well, if you're going to be like that and are in the mindset that I'm wrong from the outset, I see no point in even trying to argue with you.



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Solid_Snake4RD on 11 November 2010
Cheebee said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Cheebee said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Cheebee said:

... 3DS?

I'm pretty sure its 3D will be superior to anything PS3 could output.


3DS won't be 3DS if it could do that as it would need to be a console

... What?

it would be a big explaination

 

you tell me hoe 3ds would be better and i will tell you how it won't

 

that way we only concentrate on that point

Well, if you're going to be like that and are in the mindset that I'm wrong from the outset, I see no point in even trying to argue with you.

well you totally mistunderstood it

there are many problems why 3DS just can't be as good so me posting all the info is useless

thats why i asked you to mention something specific to why you think it will be better



Solid_Snake4RD on 11 November 2010
disolitude said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:

disolitude said:

Solid_Snake4RD said:
 



 


I just saw that video in full and Im sorry I fail to see how that test applies to 3D.

Also his test is flawed. The 360 dashboard is set to be upscaled to 1080p, but games are able to push true 1080p if optimized.Perfect Dark remake and Virtua Tennis 3 do so...

Both consoles can push higher resolutions than 720p...but in COD Black ops, they are unable to do 720p in 2D. Why do you think PS3 is able to push >720p resolutions in 3D and can't keep up in 2d?


360 wasn't made as a 1080p console,it was upgraded later on thats what it showed that 360 wasn't native even though MS calls it native

and the video was supposed to show that only

 

that Black ops resolution went down from 600p to 300p for 3D cause of the limitation

PS3 was 600p but its ability and HDMI can both frames 600p not 300p

 

that was the reasoning.

I'll argue that you are wrong here. 

First of all check Perfect Dark remake on the 360, it is native 1080p. The dashboard upscales to 1080p but games are fully capable of 1080p on the 360 as are movies.

well that is what is said but that is not what we saw

Secondly, Black ops on the 360 goes form 600p in 2D to 720p in 3D. Because 3D requires to display 2 frames, each frame is 360p wide and then is scaled to 720p by the TV.On the Ps3, game runs in sub 600p in 2D...and in 3D it runs in 1470p.Each frame already scaled to 720p by the PS3 because that is how these new 3D TVs work.

yes but it cando two 600p frames,i can understand the problem on 360 but PS3 can do it

where it should be better

DF can not determine the the true PS3 3D frame resolution because its is scaled before it reaches the TV. It could be 300p, 320p, 360p or even higher per frame... The ONLY difference between 3D method on the PS3 and 360 is taht for 360 TV does the image scaling, for PS3 version, PS3 does it before it reaches the TV.

Now any resonable person should be able to conclude that since PS3 version in 2D and 3D runs worse than 360 version, it most likely is running around 320-360p per frame in 3D, which is around the same as the 360 version. There is no special magic PS3 can do to squeeze extra performance for 3D if the game is struggling in 2D...

I agree most and stop talking about the magic

i just was reasoning about the resolution being better