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Mr Khan on 10 November 2010
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:
badgenome said:
Mr Khan said:

The only part that really seemed incredulous to me was when the Ewoks were beating them down with those little cudgels.

Yeah, that is the precise scene I'm thinking of. While I'm sure it made me laugh as a kid, now it just makes me groan. All this building up of the Empire as the baddest asses around only to feed them to a bunch of furry little merchandising ploys.

Still, at least I can understand that logic behind that choice: commercial desires simply outweighed artistic ones. Boba Fett's undignified demise, I'll never get.

Did they expect him to be such a badass when it was filmed?

I mean, outside of having a cool helemt it's not like he does anything badass.

He just... picks up Han Solo after Vader does all the work... and that's pretty much it.

This is true as well. Fett's now mythological status was largely fan-developed, given that he didn't do much of anything.

Jango, now he deserved it. He killed a jedi with just a blaster rifle

Makes you think there must of been something wrong with those cloning vats.

Besides which, so are Stormtroopers now officially all clones or what?

I seem to remember one of the videogames talking about "New" clones being integrated with the original Jango clones for diversity's sake... and that become the new stormtroopers.

Unsure if that's canon though.

Canon, as far as i remember, states that the clones were slowly phased out over time. iirc (too lazy to look it up on Wookiepedia) the Kamino cloners turned on the Empire soon after Episode III and had to be dealt with, and the Emperor realized the weakness of having most of the clones come from the same stock. New clones were developed, but they slowly began a recruitment process as well. From memory, i want to say that by the original trilogy they were down to 20% clones, 80% volunteers.

In the original story Lucas wrote that became the screenplay for A New Hope, Luke was trying to get away from Tatooine to go join the Imperial Academy, though Biggs had also gone through that academy before defecting to the Rebellion, so they weren't originally conceived of as all-clone. Though the reason the Emperor was not in A New Hope was because he was originally conceived of as a weak pawn of the military warlords, a figurehead, unlike the omnipotent ringmaster he became, so Lucas retconned a little even within the original trilogy



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milkyjoe on 10 November 2010

10/10

This isn't just the best Star Wars movie, this is the best movie of all time.

The battle and escape from Hoth... Luke's training with Yoda, where we learn more of the mystical force (none of the midichlorian bs)... The Falcon hiding in the asteroid which turns out to be more than just an asteroid... The betrayal in Cloud City... 'I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further'... Han getting frozen in carbonite... Luke taking on Vader, where we learn Vader is his father.. And finally the retreat back to the rebel fleet...

It's just perfect.

Incidentally, this is the only thing I've ever given 10/10 to, be it game, movie, book, TV show, record etc, etc...



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haxxiy on 10 November 2010

9/10

 

The best of the older movies, misses a ten due to the lack of any sense in the Yoda and Luke part. 



 

 

 

 

 

Khuutra on 10 November 2010
haxxiy said:

9/10

 

The best of the older movies, misses a ten due to the lack of any sense in the Yoda and Luke part. 

I'm not sure I understand what this means.



haxxiy on 10 November 2010
Khuutra said:
haxxiy said:

9/10

 

The best of the older movies, misses a ten due to the lack of any sense in the Yoda and Luke part. 

I'm not sure I understand what this means.

It's not like you have to.



 

 

 

 

 

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Khuutra on 10 November 2010
haxxiy said:
Khuutra said:
haxxiy said:

9/10

 

The best of the older movies, misses a ten due to the lack of any sense in the Yoda and Luke part. 

I'm not sure I understand what this means.

It's not like you have to.

I apologize for my lack of clarity.

I meant for that to be an implicit request for clarification.



darthdevidem01 on 10 November 2010
Khuutra said:

Mr Khan your defense of the Ewoks is lacking; they were a stupid and unnecessary element that would have been better left off. Comic relief? Comic relief? You think they couldn't have gotten some cosmic relief without getting a bunch of teddy bears to emascul-

No

No

Maybe we will have this discussion in a couple of days

This topic is about Empire Strikes Back, which is the bestest Star Wars movie.

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Yousa want guuungaaaans? 



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Kasz216 on 10 November 2010
Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:
badgenome said:
Mr Khan said:

The only part that really seemed incredulous to me was when the Ewoks were beating them down with those little cudgels.

Yeah, that is the precise scene I'm thinking of. While I'm sure it made me laugh as a kid, now it just makes me groan. All this building up of the Empire as the baddest asses around only to feed them to a bunch of furry little merchandising ploys.

Still, at least I can understand that logic behind that choice: commercial desires simply outweighed artistic ones. Boba Fett's undignified demise, I'll never get.

Did they expect him to be such a badass when it was filmed?

I mean, outside of having a cool helemt it's not like he does anything badass.

He just... picks up Han Solo after Vader does all the work... and that's pretty much it.

This is true as well. Fett's now mythological status was largely fan-developed, given that he didn't do much of anything.

Jango, now he deserved it. He killed a jedi with just a blaster rifle

Makes you think there must of been something wrong with those cloning vats.

Besides which, so are Stormtroopers now officially all clones or what?

I seem to remember one of the videogames talking about "New" clones being integrated with the original Jango clones for diversity's sake... and that become the new stormtroopers.

Unsure if that's canon though.

Canon, as far as i remember, states that the clones were slowly phased out over time. iirc (too lazy to look it up on Wookiepedia) the Kamino cloners turned on the Empire soon after Episode III and had to be dealt with, and the Emperor realized the weakness of having most of the clones come from the same stock. New clones were developed, but they slowly began a recruitment process as well. From memory, i want to say that by the original trilogy they were down to 20% clones, 80% volunteers.

In the original story Lucas wrote that became the screenplay for A New Hope, Luke was trying to get away from Tatooine to go join the Imperial Academy, though Biggs had also gone through that academy before defecting to the Rebellion, so they weren't originally conceived of as all-clone. Though the reason the Emperor was not in A New Hope was because he was originally conceived of as a weak pawn of the military warlords, a figurehead, unlike the omnipotent ringmaster he became, so Lucas retconned a little even within the original trilogy


Yeah, wasn't that even in the movie?  Or maybe it was just the novelsation of the movie.  Hence why I wasn't a fan at a suggested rewrite of that.



darthdevidem01 on 10 November 2010
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:
badgenome said:
Mr Khan said:

The only part that really seemed incredulous to me was when the Ewoks were beating them down with those little cudgels.

Yeah, that is the precise scene I'm thinking of. While I'm sure it made me laugh as a kid, now it just makes me groan. All this building up of the Empire as the baddest asses around only to feed them to a bunch of furry little merchandising ploys.

Still, at least I can understand that logic behind that choice: commercial desires simply outweighed artistic ones. Boba Fett's undignified demise, I'll never get.

Did they expect him to be such a badass when it was filmed?

I mean, outside of having a cool helemt it's not like he does anything badass.

He just... picks up Han Solo after Vader does all the work... and that's pretty much it.

This is true as well. Fett's now mythological status was largely fan-developed, given that he didn't do much of anything.

Jango, now he deserved it. He killed a jedi with just a blaster rifle

Makes you think there must of been something wrong with those cloning vats.

Besides which, so are Stormtroopers now officially all clones or what?

I seem to remember one of the videogames talking about "New" clones being integrated with the original Jango clones for diversity's sake... and that become the new stormtroopers.

Unsure if that's canon though.

Canon, as far as i remember, states that the clones were slowly phased out over time. iirc (too lazy to look it up on Wookiepedia) the Kamino cloners turned on the Empire soon after Episode III and had to be dealt with, and the Emperor realized the weakness of having most of the clones come from the same stock. New clones were developed, but they slowly began a recruitment process as well. From memory, i want to say that by the original trilogy they were down to 20% clones, 80% volunteers.

In the original story Lucas wrote that became the screenplay for A New Hope, Luke was trying to get away from Tatooine to go join the Imperial Academy, though Biggs had also gone through that academy before defecting to the Rebellion, so they weren't originally conceived of as all-clone. Though the reason the Emperor was not in A New Hope was because he was originally conceived of as a weak pawn of the military warlords, a figurehead, unlike the omnipotent ringmaster he became, so Lucas retconned a little even within the original trilogy


Yeah, wasn't that even in the movie?  Or maybe it was just the novelsation of the movie.  Hence why I wasn't a fan at a suggested rewrite of that.

can you tell me where you've found info for all these "original scripts" and stuff, I'd like to read all of that



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Packie on 10 November 2010

 10/10

Just as equally amazing as "A New Hope".