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Demotruk on 09 November 2010
Mummelmann said:

MW2 sold 25-30% more on the 360 than the PS3 on a considerably bigger installed base and with many times the advertising budget and with control over the region where FPS games are typically the most popular. If the PS3 version of Black Ops sells a whole lot more than the Wii version, there really will be no excuses.

PS: How much online gaming are Wii owners doing compared to HD consoles owners anyway? I'm guessing not a whole lot. Why can't people just accept that there is a pretty high probability that shooters and similar games don't sell as well on the Wii simply based on the nature of its owners (you think a Mario Kart like game would sell 25 million on the conbined HD installed base?). Different consoles cater to different people and while the average PS3 and 360 are probably a lot more similar than they think, the average Wii owners is likely to differ a lot more simply based on the nature of the console and game library (please don't argue with the fact that the Wii and HD consoles are vastly different). Is it that hard to fathom or do you just not want to?


The last time a study was done on the matter, more Wii's were connected being used for online games than either 360's or PS3's. 360 and PS3 both had a higher ratio, but in absolute terms the Wii was the highest.

Now I'm sure that there is an alignment of enthusiast gamers and the HD consoles, especially as the Wii failed to get big core games over the years, but in the case of the Call of Duty series and Black Ops, you're being disingenuous to suggest that the Wii version ought to sell as much as the PS3 version if we assume the market is there on both consoles. Aside from the disadvantages to buying the Wii version I outlined before, the Wii version has been virtually hidden, won't get any advertising and people have barely even any reason to know about the features it does have (they weren't even clear to enthusiasts until it was leaked and then launched). Newlevelgaming has been following the Wii version's PR so you can see how quiet they have been and how little we knew:

http://newlevelgaming.blogspot.com/search/label/black ops

 

Edit: Forum won't show the link correctly. Just go to the site and click on the black ops tag



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Demotruk on 09 November 2010
Antabus said:
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blunty51 said:
Antabus said:

I suppose that now we will see wii version beating at least the ps3 version.

You mean reviews or sales? Actually don't bother, not gonna happen either way.


Sales. I've seen a lot of reasons why a wii game does not sell as well as the hd-versions. Now those usual reasons don't apply (gimped,old/lame port,no marketing,not a big ip and whatever), so the game will sell more than those hd-versions.


The game is gimped. Check the red mark in the review.

Local multiplayer? Do people really care about that if you can play the game online? :o

 

Yes, yes they do.

Sources:

[1]The top selling console games of this generation

[2]The top selling console games of all time

[3]The top selling console FPS' of all time

1) So local multiplayer is the reason those titles sold? Like wii fit? Nintendogs?  NSMB? Brain age? Mario kart ds?

2) Previously mentioned games and pokemon?

3) Do you really think that MW2 sold that much because of local multiplayer? Get real.


No, it's a correlation. Local multiplayer is extremely common among the top selling games of all time, and of this generation. It's especially true of the Wii which is specifically intended to be a multiplayer console. 8/10 of the top ten games this generation have local multiplayer 3/10 had online. 7/10 of the top selling Wii games were local multiplayer games, the other three still have local multiplayer elements. 8/10 of the top selling 360 games and 4/10 on PS3.

Of the top console games of all time 17/30 have had local multiplayer. 4/30 had online multiplayer.

And I'm not sure if you intended it but yes, NSMB(on DS and Wii), Mario Kart DS and Pokémon are really big local multiplayer games.

I did not say that MW2 sold that much due to local multiplayer, however I am sure it is an element. Hardcore gamers underestimate the relevance of local multiplayer, every big selling console FPS has had it as a central feature since Goldeneye popularized console FPS'.

But this isn't even just a matter of not having local multiplayer, the HD versions also have local online. You know, the feature that's really popular on the 23 million selling Mario Kart Wii and the near 10 million selling SSBB.

 

In a straight up choice between Black Ops on the HD consoles or on Wii you've got the following factors:

HD: Local Multiplayer, Local Online Multiplayer, better graphics and chances are more of your friends will have this version (particularly the 360).

Wii: Pointer controls.

..yeah.

How on earth do you play local multiplayer on ds? Or are you talking about playing on 2 or more consoles? That is the same as online (you propably connect with wifi).

I am pretty sure that local multiplayer on MW2 was a non factor. Online is what sells the shooters.

wat

Local multiplayer is multiplayer played locally. Online is over the internet. The DS connects wirelessly to other DS', locally.



A game I'm developing with some friends:

www.xnagg.com/zombieasteroids/publish.htm

It is largely a technical exercise but feedback is appreciated.

Metallicube on 09 November 2010
LordTheNightKnight said:
Metallicube said:

Looks good, but I will be opting for the 360 version, since the online system will proably be more fleshed out and I plan on playing online matches with my cousin into the wee hours of the night.

Good to see Wii getting some ports that aren't dumbed down/skimped out on though.


Except this isn't a port. A port is made after the fact. This is a multiplatform release.

Ok, I'll go with that then. Poor choice of words :P

I guess I'm used to saying that term with 3rd party Wii games.



oniyide on 09 November 2010

I want what the guys who think this will sell better on Wii than PS3 is smoking, I thouht I had the good stuff!! There was zero advertisement for MW2 for PS3 last year,but it still sold about 8 mil. Dont blame ads for everything. as far as im concerned the Wii and PS3 is on equal terms when it comes to COD ads.  Its not gimped either, even though the Wii version is ten bucks cheaper. so cant use that excuse. Why is that even an excuse??? If your a Wii only gamer why would it matter if you got a gimped version?? Its not like you can get it for another system that you dont have, is someone not gonna buy it out of pricinple??? thats dumb. If your a multiplat gamer, 9/10 times your gonna get the HD version no matter how close the Wii version is.



oniyide on 09 November 2010

Why cant some peope just accept that the FPS audience on Wii is not as large as the HDs, PS3s is not as large as the 360. its all good.



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LordTheNightKnight on 09 November 2010
CrashDestroyer said:

Fellows. Let's all be gentlemen and ladies here. 

Let's not forget that we doubted Playstation Move and said it would fail but instead it sold quite well.

Let us not doubt the Wii version of Black Ops because you never know. It MIGHT outsell the PS3. I'm not saying it will or that it won't. All I am saying that it could or could not. 


Um, some thought the move would flop, but a lot of us still doubt it on the grounds of selling even a fraction like the Wii and Wii games, which still hasn't happened.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

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LordTheNightKnight on 09 November 2010
Metallicube said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Metallicube said:

Looks good, but I will be opting for the 360 version, since the online system will proably be more fleshed out and I plan on playing online matches with my cousin into the wee hours of the night.

Good to see Wii getting some ports that aren't dumbed down/skimped out on though.


Except this isn't a port. A port is made after the fact. This is a multiplatform release.

Ok, I'll go with that then. Poor choice of words :P

I guess I'm used to saying that term with 3rd party Wii games.


Well a lot of people don't seem to know the difference.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

O-D-C on 09 November 2010

it IS pretty amazing



bazmeistergen on 09 November 2010
oniyide said:

I want what the guys who think this will sell better on Wii than PS3 is smoking, I thouht I had the good stuff!! There was zero advertisement for MW2 for PS3 last year,but it still sold about 8 mil. Dont blame ads for everything. as far as im concerned the Wii and PS3 is on equal terms when it comes to COD ads.  Its not gimped either, even though the Wii version is ten bucks cheaper. so cant use that excuse. Why is that even an excuse??? If your a Wii only gamer why would it matter if you got a gimped version?? Its not like you can get it for another system that you dont have, is someone not gonna buy it out of pricinple??? thats dumb. If your a multiplat gamer, 9/10 times your gonna get the HD version no matter how close the Wii version is.

The userbases are also really different. Age range, gender differences will all come into play. And thus PS3's reliance on males in the 13-30 bracket will mean it will come out on top by a large margin.



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-PaNdOrA- on 09 November 2010

I noticed that in the zombie mode there's only one map. Are there unlockable maps or are we gonna get them as DLC??