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sapphi_snake on 16 November 2010
pizzahut451 said:
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pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:


But if the person attacks the white middle aged guy simply because he hates him, thats not a hate crime and the guy should get a smaller sentence, right?

Again, hate crimes refer to groups, and are meant to targert a certain type of criminal (one who thinks harassing/assaulting/killing a group of people due to certain characteristics that group possese is justified and right).


Hate crimes refer to the crimes that involve hate. than pretty much every type of aussault and murder. is a hate crime. Because every person belongs to a certan group of people.The motive is not important. Its the crime itself. A guy who beat up a gay person shouldnt get a higher sentence than a guy who beat up straight person, even if he does hate gay people.

The motive is very important to establish how dangerous the individual is, and how likely he's able to be rehabilitated. It's not so much WHO was attacked/harassed/killed etc., but rather WHY the criminal acted the way he/she did.


Whats really important is WHAT did the offender did to his victim. Than we can talk about motive. IMO it should go something like this.

1.WHAT did the criminal do

2.WHY did he do it

3.To whom he did it

I disagree. #3 should be irrelevant. #1 and #2 are important. #2 is important when deciding what the punishment should be, and how harsh it should be. Hate crimes refer to point #2,not #3 (as many people opposed to such legislation seem to think).



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ZechsMerquise on 16 November 2010

Classifying crimes as 'hate' crimes is pointless and sets a dangerous precedent that some crime is worse than other crime.

If I get punched on the nose for wearing a white T-shirt and I end up in hospital with a broken nose it is exactly the same as someone getting punched for being gay or black or simply supporting another football team. At the end of the day both aggressors assaulted an innocent victim and both victims had to contend with a broken nose.

To say that one of the victims was 'less of a victim' due to motive is nonsense. In fact it's liberal bullsh*t. If you go around punching innocent people you deserve to be locked up - regardless of what your motives are.



pizzahut451 on 16 November 2010
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:


But if the person attacks the white middle aged guy simply because he hates him, thats not a hate crime and the guy should get a smaller sentence, right?

Again, hate crimes refer to groups, and are meant to targert a certain type of criminal (one who thinks harassing/assaulting/killing a group of people due to certain characteristics that group possese is justified and right).


Hate crimes refer to the crimes that involve hate. than pretty much every type of aussault and murder. is a hate crime. Because every person belongs to a certan group of people.The motive is not important. Its the crime itself. A guy who beat up a gay person shouldnt get a higher sentence than a guy who beat up straight person, even if he does hate gay people.

The motive is very important to establish how dangerous the individual is, and how likely he's able to be rehabilitated. It's not so much WHO was attacked/harassed/killed etc., but rather WHY the criminal acted the way he/she did.


Whats really important is WHAT did the offender did to his victim. Than we can talk about motive. IMO it should go something like this.

1.WHAT did the criminal do

2.WHY did he do it

3.To whom he did it

I disagree. #3 should be irrelevant. #1 and #2 are important. #2 is important when deciding what the punishment should be, and how harsh it should be. Hate crimes refer to point #2,not #3 (as many people opposed to such legislation seem to think).


Number 3 is also important IMO. When someone killed or tortured a cat or dog, he or she shouldnt get the same sentence as someone who killed a human



sapphi_snake on 16 November 2010
pizzahut451 said:


Number 3 is also important IMO. When someone killed or tortured a cat or dog, he or she shouldnt get the same sentence as someone who killed a human

We shouldn't exaggerate when talking about protecting animals. After all, we do eat anomals, don't we? There are slaughterhouses where cattle are killed, fisherman who catch fish, and the a-holes of the British royal family go on regular hunting trips in africa and kill poor animals just for fun. Why should a dog's life be valued more than a deer's life?



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rocketpig on 16 November 2010
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:


Number 3 is also important IMO. When someone killed or tortured a cat or dog, he or she shouldnt get the same sentence as someone who killed a human

We shouldn't exaggerate when talking about protecting animals. After all, we do eat anomals, don't we? There are slaughterhouses where cattle are killed, fisherman who catch fish, and the a-holes of the British royal family go on regular hunting trips in africa and kill poor animals just for fun. Why should a dog's life be valued more than a deer's life?

It's not... unless it is someone else's pet and therefore, their property. Shooting a stray dog will actually get you less of a penalty than shooting a deer out of season, as there are no special laws regarding dog "poaching".




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sapphi_snake on 17 November 2010
rocketpig said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:


Number 3 is also important IMO. When someone killed or tortured a cat or dog, he or she shouldnt get the same sentence as someone who killed a human

We shouldn't exaggerate when talking about protecting animals. After all, we do eat anomals, don't we? There are slaughterhouses where cattle are killed, fisherman who catch fish, and the a-holes of the British royal family go on regular hunting trips in africa and kill poor animals just for fun. Why should a dog's life be valued more than a deer's life?

It's not... unless it is someone else's pet and therefore, their property. Shooting a stray dog will actually get you less of a penalty than shooting a deer out of season, as there are no special laws regarding dog "poaching".

I can't help but be saddened by this.



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pizzahut451 on 17 November 2010
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:


Number 3 is also important IMO. When someone killed or tortured a cat or dog, he or she shouldnt get the same sentence as someone who killed a human

We shouldn't exaggerate when talking about protecting animals. After all, we do eat anomals, don't we? There are slaughterhouses where cattle are killed, fisherman who catch fish, and the a-holes of the British royal family go on regular hunting trips in africa and kill poor animals just for fun. Why should a dog's life be valued more than a deer's life?

Age should also be considerd. I think that the offender should get a higher sentence for beating up a kid than he does for beating up an adult man. I mean, an adult can somehow protect himself or herself, while child is still innocent and cant reallz do anything.



sapphi_snake on 17 November 2010
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:


Number 3 is also important IMO. When someone killed or tortured a cat or dog, he or she shouldnt get the same sentence as someone who killed a human

We shouldn't exaggerate when talking about protecting animals. After all, we do eat anomals, don't we? There are slaughterhouses where cattle are killed, fisherman who catch fish, and the a-holes of the British royal family go on regular hunting trips in africa and kill poor animals just for fun. Why should a dog's life be valued more than a deer's life?

Age should also be considerd. I think that the offender should get a higher sentence for beating up a kid than he does for beating up an adult man. I mean, an adult can somehow protect himself or herself, while child is still innocent and cant reallz do anything.

Hmmm, I'm not sure if that should matter honestly. But was this replay really aimed towards me?



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)