while that's so cute of you to think that is a reason to lock threads, it's not.

And I'm pretty sure I figured it out, it was because of NSFW links in the OPs.

Maybe they reporting sales until end of October... PS3 sold a little more than shipped until end of September... and 360 sold less bacause 4M consoles are dead.

I'm guessing these are all retailer shipments, so in reality without the RROD units, and the disc issued ps2 those are the real install bases? According to famitsu

The figures are from TOSE though, not Famitsu themselves, and entirely unsourced.  From the looks of it, it seems they're mixing shipments with sales trackers, and at different reporting periods.

Anyway, reposting my issues from the other thread...

• PC Engine only sold 3.5m iirc in Japan, TG16 was a relative flop in America, it never released in Europe... so how the hell'd they get to 10 million?  Were Duo sales actually that high?

• The Saturn figure seems low too, it sold almost 6m Japan alone... so only less than 3m for the rest of the world?  Seems unlikely, more likely it's around 10m.

• PS2 seems REALLY low. Like 10-15m light.

• PS3 ahead of 360.  lol.

4M units would equal ~billion dollars included repair costs for parts and labor and shipping charges in those early days when 360s were 300-400$.

But i mean how will they determine which users have bought duplicate consoles, and the RRODs is much higher than 2 or 3 million, its estimated at min about 40% of xbox consoles and at max about 66% of xbox consoles. so it still seems a big high imo.

anyway this dosent matter to me, microsoft considers all those 45mil consoles sold, and imo they are sold even if they're duplicate buys, people still chose to buy them despite the hardware failure. and imo PS3 will outsell the 360 when the time is right, and will outsell them despite all those duplicate buys because of RROD.

One your estimates are way high.  Two MS does not include in shipment numbers any new units (if any) that they would send out to replace any RRoD units. The amount of people that simply chose to replace rather than get a console fixed has to be pretty small when the warranty for RRoD has been very lenient.   The only Xbox RRoD I have occurred happen 3 months after the extended warranty expired and MS still fixed for free.

But for companies like gamestop who gave people who bought warranties replacements right off the shelf, how are those calculated?

Yeah possibiliy, but i have heard that there are many people who've bought multiple consoles, we simply dont know how much that is. so i cant say that i'm right, no proof. and we know that microsoft havent covered RRODs for every 360 console, the extended warranty only lasts 3 years i think, outside of this period i assume that users wouldve had to have bought a new unit or buy a new console.

and lets not forget, that over 1mil users (i think) are suspected to have been banned from xbox live because of modded consoles, forcing those users to also buy replacement units or not.

Guys, there's no accounting for "faulty units", since there's no source period on these figures.  For all we know, they might be TOSE's internal estimates and nothing more.

These numbers also are NOT from Famitsu, in case anyone is confused.