Haha well it does involve gaming as a whole, talking about the device, which will eventually work on PC (officially not hacking), and thats what I discussed with my impressions and following debate.

I've been reading a lot about lag in this post and I can tell you from my impressions with Kinect as well as the impressions of non- gamers, lag isn't an inssue at all with Kinect.  In fact in many cases the motion to jump or move side to side (like in the raft game) is actually very natural.  i watched literally dozens of people who clearly had never played with a console system before stand in front of Kinect and know exactly what to do both in game and in the menu.  We have to remember sometimes that what we do as hardcore gamers doesn't translate all that well to  people that don't really enjoy games as a hobby.   

I don't think the OP is being overly critical I just think he is looking at it from the perspective of a gamer and not that of a person that just doesn't get what we do.  To them the whole idea of just interacting with something in front of them is fascinating.  I do think that the $150 price point is mass market and sales so far seem to reflect that, but will have to wait and see some official numbers.

He's right to a certain extent in that most 30FPS games have over 100ms latency. Digital Foundry did an article on it a while back:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-lag-factor-article?page=3

However, as you pointed out, in these games listed, no input lag is actually noticeable (with the possible exception of GTAIV), yet it is noticeable in the Kinect games as seen here:

http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/kinect-latency-tests

This would suggest either that MS' latency estimates are an absolute minimum that is rarely reached, or some other effect such as collective latency between camera, 360 and TV that add up to more than the 100ms for just the camera. Alternatively, maybe the lag is just that much more noticeable when using a camera based system.

Edit: found the article to go with the second vid:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-the-case-for-kinect-article

Girls love this product and will translate into good sales. Everyone that is not a hardcore gamer seems to love it.

My girlfriend has not touched any other game since we brought it home.

Also I love how every ps3 only owner loves to comment on something they never tried.

I think it is awsome and has potential.

I also noticed that lazy people have a problem with reflex ridge  . Not jumping high enough or not working hard enough to miss or pass the object. So lag or are you just a fat ass.

there is lag but doesnt' stop me from passing the advanced stages of reflex ridge.

Maybe you just suck at the game. Cause I'M not having problems. when i jump I left up my legs high, not a sissy bunny hop either. I think a lot has to do with being lazy and not working hard to pass a object.

I think the lag will be updated and patched until it works damn near perfect.  

Thanks for the documentation, interesting stuff there 100ms is I believe the latency the article said, it's not exactly something to quote me on since I'd need to find the article since I read about that nearly 8 months ago or more.

Uh... what?  No wonder I skipped over this comment earlier

Hahahahah. What, you don't believe that the laws of time and space can be circumvented by software patches? Oh, wait...

I think technically this would require firmware patches but really I was commenting on the flaming and bringing up the PS3 for whatever reason.  Though its true if its all on the input device rather than the firmware running it (which they've had two years to work on) then patching isn't doing anything it requires a hardware revision. 

That was my point. With Kinect we reportedly have a hardware lag of around 100-150ms plus however much the software introduces. Wii has a hardware lag of 50ms plus software lag, Move has 22ms plus software lag. You can improve the software side, but you can't "patch" the hardware.

Move is better until you introduce the camera in the mix, apparently working in tandem it creates slight lag, had someone give me some links when I brought it up in my Move impressions thread.  I think these developers of these products need to think about things like that, if the devices used causes lag, its going to be even worse when you throw software in the mix.  

From launch game lineup lag is as follows Wii > Move (not bad at all just enough to notice) >> Kinect it can actually effect gameplay like I said with Kinect, something you don't really see with the other devices, and for any gamer being hindered by hardware is a frustration.