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Only read back to page 12 but got too many notes already and I hate making posts that are too long so I'll make a series of posts instead:

@prof: When Heph roleclaimed your initial reaction was "I don't believe you" then you roleclaimed Cameran and later added "I can guarantee that vanilla townies have names" a bit after theRepublic made his claim that "Vanilla townies don't have names". Obviously your position must have changed since then do you still stand behind your "I can guarantee that vanilla townies have names" claim? If not what made you say you could "guarantee" it?



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Khuutra said:

5. For j0, I don't distrust his claim that F-F didn't send him the role necessarily, but that combined with the fact that he's coming off of sabby's lurking makes him extremely scummy in my eyes.

THese are the things I am thinking about. THe three people I would hang right now, no questions asked, are noname, gurglesletch, and j0. We need to pick one of these guys and go to town.

Can you explain your suspicion of me so that it... makes sense? 

I'm suspicious because I replaced Sabby, who couldn't properly play the game and asked FF to be replaced? That's not lurking, that's just stuff coming up! 



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theRepublic said:
Kantor said:

Ah, so we have vanilla roles, but Sailor Moon names?

Maybe you should read your PM to find out.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3738137

FoS on me for saying lying isn't a bad thing. 

Starting at this post, 3 posts about why lying is bad. Seems like trying to assert his own pro-town attitude.

theRepublic said:
Kantor said:

Ah, so we have vanilla roles, but Sailor Moon names?

Does this post bother anyone else?

It has been nagging at the back of my mind since I quoted it early on page one.

He later says the above a little later after I say that he might be telling kantor to pay more attention.

theRepublic said:

Wow.  The town is running at full speed off a cliff right now.

Vanilla townies do not have names.

Was not true. There were two votes on Heph, and even heph realized that it was a fake wagon. Heph later ran a fake wagon on me. (at least this is what I believe) We were not running full speed off a cliff.

theRepublic said:

Yes, I think either Prof or SuperAdriank need to hang today.

Prof because it seems unlikely to me that some vanilla townies would be named and others not.  It would be damn sneaky of Final-Fan to have done that.  His whole plan has done nothing but put townies with names, most likely power roles, in danger.

SuperAdriank because of his vote for Linkzmax.  At the time, SuperAdrinak said he thought that Linkzmax said that townies do not have names.  If SuperAdriank really is a vanilla townie as he now claims, why in the world did he vote for Linkzmax?

I just came to a decision.

Vote: SuperAdriank


Bolded above, he called my name a plan. And yet, he characterizes me as a mafia. Basically, I need to hang because either I'm a mafia or because my "plan" is counter-productive. Although, he never presents ANY evidence that I'm a mafia, and is simply trying to make the case that I am hurting the town. He then votes superadriank, and I assume he wrote me in simply to provide a base for accusation tomorrow. If SuperadrianK gets lynched and flips town, his argument will be very strong that my "plan" has been counter-productive and use that as proof that I'm mafia.

theRepublic said:
Khuutra said:

Hm.

I'd rather get prof today, but I'll change my vote if the wagon is trundling in that direction.

Don't change (for now).  Prof jumping on the only other lynch candidate besides himself 3 minutes after I put the first vote on SuperAdriank does not make a wagon.

Here is where I pointed out republic "directing" Khuutra. Seemingly town behavior and cautiousness make this stand out to me.

theRepublic said:
TruckOSaurus said:

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Now about the whole named vs nameless situation: To me there's something just not right because I don't believe Final-Fan went around naming some vanilla townies (like prof) and then ran out of names and decided to name the rest of them "A youma".

Final-Fan even said that he specifically picked a Sailor Moon theme because it had so many names.

Not sure why he said this. It is almost a complete 180 on what he's been saying, yet later on he will continue to doubt my name.

theRepublic said:

It is not ridiculous.  In un-themed vanilla games, every vanilla townie is just called a townie, and the mafia know it.  The only difference here is that the mafia did not know what the town would be called in this game.

Again, he just knows that town are called youma. Consider that when he said the other quote he said "do not have names", not "are all named youma". When he said that first one, Heph was the only one to claim that his name was youma. 

theRepublic said:

Because I can independently verify everything Hephaestos has said about the subject as of this post.  And, he said it all before I was able to come back to the game.

He never said the town names were youma. He himself did not know, and said "do not have names" in the case that Heph was pulling a fast one, I believe.

 

What's also of significant interest is his relationship to other players. I call it negative space relationships, that is, he has almost zero connection to several other players. In this web, I would point out noname2200, dtewi, hatmoza, radish, and possibly kamal. This could be simple avoidance, but I also need to point out how cautious each one of these players is being. Very few posts from all of them, and almost all of it is straight facts. No opinions, no guesses, no ideas.



Due to the nature of this game everyone is being reserve and treading carefully thats why I haven't really made a solid judgement on who is scum , my tactics at the last game didn't really help me much either so I've decided to take a different approach.



"Life is but a gentle death. Fate is but a sickness that results in extinction and in the midst of all the uncertainty, lies resolve."

I really want to see therepublic's response to prof before I jump the gun like I did with link.

Also, you people and you're super theories, wish I could make them that sound reaonable. :/




              

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dtewi said:
theprof00 said:

guys seriously, read my post above I would like some genuine responses to my points about republic.

He has been playing very cautiously all game, rarely making posts, and his claim that "all townies have no names" is NOT verification that he is a townie. He himself says later on that "Mafia KNOW that all vanillas have no name".

I couldn't agree more, republic.

I really don't know which way anyone is leaning, so I apologize if I'm guilty of steering the town, but I feel republic is very capable of being a mafia.

I'll make a post after this highlighting my evidence against him.

I don't even know what to make of you. With all this talk about how lies are good for the town (NOTE: I'm not saying whether they are or not, it still seems scummy to encourage some lies, and don't try to deny that) and actually thinking about keep a scum alive. 

Then again, you've had some crazy theories before, so I wouldn't put those beneath you.

Dtewi, how does anything about me have anything to do with evidence?



I have to go now... not sure if I'll be back today but I'll leave you with an interesting find:

First, nen-suer commented in this way  about the number of claimed nameless:

" Awesome, with every townie coming forward a we can start seeing all of the town power roles die one by one."

I know he was being sarcastic and decrying the fact that vanilla were claiming left and right but then a few pages later he did the exact thing that he was against and roleclaim vanilla townie too!



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What's also of significant interest is his relationship to other players. He has almost zero connection to several other players.I would point out radish. This could be simple avoidance. Very few posts. No opinions, no guesses, no ideas.

I'm not completely devoid of ideas :(

I just don't like FoSing people unless I'm very certain that they're up to no good.

That said, I'm suspicious of Jo - but I like keeping my suspicions hidden until I make a vote ^-^



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gurglesletch said:

Just mod kill me. I am REALLY busy right now.

Just to ruin the surprise - are you mafia? :)



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