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theprof00 on 09 November 2010
Linkzmax said:

@Final-Fan
I believe you missed prof's vote of me unless I somehow missed an unvote. 
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3741135

It seems I have some addressing to do, and I will cover everything that was asked/pointed my way. Much of that will come in another post later, as I have a bunch of reading up to do as well.

But first, I was online to read prof's post but at the time I didn't think much of the suspicions my way warranted a defense. I am new, but I don't want to use that an excuse to play poorly; however, it does mean that my inexperience will probably lead me to see some logic and agree with it which happens to be my case with the no lynch vote. That vote could certainly change with everything that's been said since I posted it or with new information dug up this day, but at the time I saw no reason to blindly take out anyone. When I do lay out my scumspects I won't merely be miming others or getting a preconceived notion from someone's trail and then seeing where it leads.
I'm not sure how or what I was cherry-picking, so I'll have to ask for clarification.
And finally, I will not nameclaim(or no-name nameclaim) period in this game. Townies have no idea what other towns' descriptions say, while mafia know who all the town are.(Yes I know this is the obvious premise of the game) A nameclaim would do no benefit to the town, unless there's a mass nameclaim.(No, I don't want this to happen and as I saw in the signup thread, nobody does) It would on the other hand benefit scum as it could help them blend. Unless of course the townie lies and isn't forced to flip.

As to my online status. I always leave a VGC tab open, but I don't know how long the *Online* tag stays there without any activity. I'm also reading the thread while at work from my phone occassionally. As I stated yesterday, I can't seem to post from my phone, so that's not good. On top of that I don't have the ability to take notes then, so as hooked as I am already I'm going to refrain from that.

Now I'll be doing that reading up and response.

You are new, yet you are experienced enough to say this: 

"There are some set-ups which nearly require a day one lynch even should it turn mislynch, but I care not to speculate on that in a game of this size especially without knowing the number of night kills we'll be facing."

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3738760

 

This is what you said about names. Kantor said "so it's vanilla game but we have sailor moon names"

Me and others thought this might have been a slip by kantor. Therepublic quoted it and asked if anyone else thought it was suspicious. This was your response:

"I marked it down as a possible slip, but not quite a tell. Seeing as the theme is "Sailor Moon" just mentioning there are names doesn't quite give alignment.

If names are important as you seem to be pointing out then it could show Kantor as either scum or PR; however, this would hint that you're implying you have no name in your description thus being vanilla."

 

 

Next on the order, both I and gow have voted linkzmax, yet it doesn't show in the vote spread. FF, the reason why I asked people to do "vote: X" is because then all you have to do is hit ctrl-F and type in "vote:" and then you can't miss any. 

 

Additionally, I want to point out that people who are calling for everyone to chill were on my suspect list, except for heph. Heph right now is the only person verifying linkz' claim of vanillatown=nameless. I have not seen anyone else back that up.

However, the main problem now is what FF said. It was very vague, but it might've meant "some townies don't have names".

So, I really don't know what to do now..but I do know that mafia will usually bandwagon on one player for even inconsequential reasons, and linkz only has got 2 votes on him. 

The other thing is that mafia are the cautious ones always looking for more proof and delaying lynches.



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Khuutra on 09 November 2010
dtewi said:
Khuutra said:

All right piss on it. I know a lost fight when I'm looking at it.

Unvote

Vote: No Lynch

Here's hoping I actually live through tonight - I may have some information. May not though.

Dude, isn't that pretty much signing your death warrant?

OT:

Wow. A dispute over the possible namelessness of townies and namelessnessness. 

I have a rambunctious theory: Maybe Final-Fan is the biggest jerk in the world and omits name for some townies and keeps some for others. This way, we won't be able to rely on name-claims.

We'll see, but not really, no. Based on past games I'm one of the higher-priority targets (died first night on my last... two? three games?) and anything that might attract some protection is worth it.

Concerning your theory:

I acknowledged this sort of thing before. If this is the case, hate to death, etc.



theprof00 on 09 November 2010

tl;dr

If you believe the vanilla townies should have names then you should vote for link.

However, if you believe that FF has made a mistake then you should not vote.

 

Please keep in mind that Heph and Kantor are basically calling for my head if SOME vanilla townies do not have names. If Heph is mafia, and linkz really does not have a name. He is in the perfect position to not only claim having no name, but also to get me lynched.

Now, to me, either FF did include townies with no names, and Heph is backing that up, or he is taking advantage of the situation. Heph is still way too early to tell. But you have to be open to the possibilities of what is happening. 

Three games ago, Heph was an SK and recruited by the mafia. I said that we needed to kill Heph (though we weren't 100% sure that mafia had a recruiter for the SK) because of the POSSIBILITY that there was, evidenced by the fact that Heph wasn't killed by mafia yet, who should've been a threat because of his POSSIBLE recruitment to the town. Nobody shared this opinion, and he was indeed recruited to the mafia.



theprof00 on 09 November 2010

linkz, you need to answer this:

"I am new, but I don't want to use that an excuse to play poorly; "

""There are some set-ups which nearly require a day one lynch even should it turn mislynch, but I care not to speculate on that in a game of this size especially without knowing the number of night kills we'll be facing."

These are both quotes by you. The latter was said on the second page, and the former was said a few posts up of some claim of "playing poorly" in defense of accusations.



GodOfWar_3ever on 09 November 2010

Vote No Lynch



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theprof00 on 09 November 2010

god you guys are such pussies.



Khuutra on 09 November 2010
theprof00 said:

god you guys are such pussies.

Some of us know an ended fight when we see it.

Change vote and end the day, hope for something better to go on in the morning.



theprof00 on 09 November 2010

unvote

vote: no lynch

 




GodOfWar_3ever on 09 November 2010

I'd lynch either prof or heph, but I know I will not get enough support from everybody else. Its retarded, considering that one of them has to be lying.

May I remind you assholes that, ironically, even though we did a day one lynch (which was a mislynch) in the last game,  and that was the first game that the town won in a long time ?

LMAO

I think I'd

unvote

now and focus on lynching heph or prof. It has to be done.



Khuutra on 09 November 2010

There, that's hammer, or hammer 1.

See you all in the morning (well, probably not all).