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Final-Fan said:

I was really surprised when you guys didn't pounce on prof when it became obvious that so many vanilla townies were just Youma, and he had claimed some specific youma who was only vanilla townie.  I would have lynched him so hard.  

At this point, for me, there's "I don't trust you because we're playing Mafia", and then there's "I don't believe a single word you utter because you're theprof00".  And that is a very deadly reputation to have, prof. 

@ Khuutra:  the "lovers" angle was just supposed to be flavor.  You were masons with vigilante power once you found each other, and unlike traditional Lovers, neither of you died when the other was killed, you just lost your vig power.  MG94's attributes were identical to yours. 

Listen you can call us masons all you want

That much buttsex can only be described in just so many ways

And I trusted prof because - well - because I expected his looney ass to lie.



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Well, I'm not saying I would have lynched him because I thought he was scum



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THat's very fair. But if I had lynched everyone who frustrated me

Well

You ended up modkilling all of them anyway



Okay, there aren't many awards but here you go.  People wanting more can nominate or something. 

Laser Guided Suspicion -- Khuutra
At one point he made a list of 6 people.  (Before any modkills, so out of 19.)  There was gurgles who he wanted modkilled for being absent (he was); c03n3nj0 who he suspected because I forgot to give him his role PM (I had); Kantor the cop; and THREE MAFIA.  Then a few posts later he asks the cop to investigate A FOURTH MAFIA.  This is out of five mafia. 

Then he starts throwing people up on the chopping block, and it's somehow mafia every time.  AND he vigilantes a mafia. 

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(I was going to have an award "What is this I don't even" for radishhead who apparently just went in a daze through the whole game, not knowing anything about ANYTHING, but then "IT" happened.)

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Machiavelli Wannabe -- prof
He may have had a plan, and he may have even gotten what he wanted out of it (provoke reactions out of people and try to judge mafia by the results (I think?)), but he just didn't care about the consequences to everyone else (mass confusion).  Since he's playing on the side of the town ...

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What the hell just happened -- everybody
If you weren't one of the culprits, you were one of the stupefied bystanders.  No-one escaped unscathed. 
NEVAR FORGET.  This game is honestly going to be VGC Mafia's 9/11, or Pearl Harbor, or something.  "Game 22, never again" will be a rallying cry -- mark my words.

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[edit:  Honestly VGC, why give me line breaks if they don't show up in my post?] 



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Final-Fan said:

I was really surprised when you guys didn't pounce on prof when it became obvious that so many vanilla townies were just Youma, and he had claimed some specific youma who was only vanilla townie.  I would have lynched him so hard.  

At this point, for me, there's "I don't trust you because we're playing Mafia", and then there's "I don't believe a single word you utter because you're theprof00".  And that is a very deadly reputation to have, prof. 

@ Khuutra:  the "lovers" angle was just supposed to be flavor.  You were masons with vigilante power once you found each other, and unlike traditional Lovers, neither of you died when the other was killed, you just lost your vig power.  MG94's attributes were identical to yours. 

And every time you haven't trusted me, I've been town. Look at that.



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I nominate Linkz for something good. I just don't know what yet.



theprof00 said:

And every time you haven't trusted me, I've been town. Look at that.


Final-Fan's point is that your posting style greatly damages your credibility with many players, and it often breeds confusion and uncertainty (primarily amongst the town:  our side found you invaluable this game). 

It may help you personally narrow down suspects, but unless you're the cop or vigilante it won't matter much, because by the time you find scum few people are willing to go along with you.



Machiavelli wannabe:

"What's also of significant interest is his relationship to other players. I call it negative space relationships, that is, he has almost zero connection to several other players. In this web, I would point out noname2200, dtewi, hatmoza, radish, and possibly kamal. This could be simple avoidance, but I also need to point out how cautious each one of these players is being. Very few posts from all of them, and almost all of it is straight facts. No opinions, no guesses, no ideas."

Machiavelli IS



noname2200 said:
theprof00 said:

And every time you haven't trusted me, I've been town. Look at that.


Final-Fan's point is that your posting style greatly damages your credibility with many players, and it often breeds confusion and uncertainty (primarily amongst the town:  our side found you invaluable this game). 

It may help you personally narrow down suspects, but unless you're the cop or vigilante it won't matter much, because by the time you find scum few people are willing to go along with you.

I understand that, but like I've said before, it's not a matter of who I am that is important. What matters is that fellow townies look at the evidence and decide for themselves. Too many people get caught up in the source and discount evidence.

If I decide to run a wagon on a scapegoat just so I can see who would vote for them, that shouldn't be a problem to other townies. Sure you don't know what I'm doing, but you have access to all the same information I do. I put information on the table, right?

Look at the post above. I named 4 out of 5 mafia in one post. If you think I'm not putting information on the table, well, I don't know how to argue that point anymore...



theprof00 said:

Machiavelli wannabe:

"What's also of significant interest is his relationship to other players. I call it negative space relationships, that is, he has almost zero connection to several other players. In this web, I would point out noname2200, dtewi, hatmoza, radish, and possibly kamal. This could be simple avoidance, but I also need to point out how cautious each one of these players is being. Very few posts from all of them, and almost all of it is straight facts. No opinions, no guesses, no ideas."

Machiavelli IS

4/6, about as good as khuutra did without destroying the town. 

Consider where the town was going BEFORE it went completely off the cliff.  A couple people had roleclaimed Youma/townie, and that was probably going to be the end of it, but then you came in with some fairy tale about being a named vanilla townie.  All of a sudden people don't know what to think, they're suspecting the youma that claimed, suspecting you, and half a dozen more people youma-claim.  Who does that help?  THE MAFIA.  Sure, it narrows the suspects from the town's point of view (somewhat, there could be false claims after all), but for mafia looking to hunt down power roles, it's a GODSEND. 

prof, you've been told this a dozen times or more but it seems to roll off you like water off a duck.  I want to nail it down. 

ADMIT OR DENY:  SOWING CONFUSION IS GOOD FOR MAFIA AND BAD FOR THE TOWN. 



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"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Sen. Pat Moynihan
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