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Teo said:
Kasz216 said:
Teo said:

I disagree, gerrymandering helps the conservatives gain the vote of the uneducated.

You can disagree... but your disagreement apears to be devoid of any actual facts, reasoning or arguement.

As you've not provided any.

 

I can disagree the sun is needed for life on earth.  I'd guess people would want that backed up by some kind of arguement though.

My post came out glitched so I just did a quick edit to point out my stance.

Gerrymandering sole purpose is for electoral purposes, this is how we get the extreme conservatives elected to the house. There are no extreme liberals in the house because there is no such thing as a major minority of liberals living in the countryside of each states. This is how the tea pary came to be, there will never be such a movement from the left in the United States. Certain situations and unequalities create communism, we are way passed that.  

You don't think there are any extreme liberals in the house?

What?   Dennis Kusinich doesn't even rank in the top 100 for most liberal.


As for the Tea Party coming from the "extreme conservative gerymander states".

Why is it that the Tea Party Candidates that got into congress defeated Democratic incumbents?   It's your opinion that the Democratic incumbants were the winners of "extremely republican districts."

Are you even remotely paying attention to anything political?



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Kasz216 said:
Teo said:
Kasz216 said:
Teo said:

I disagree, gerrymandering helps the conservatives gain the vote of the uneducated.

You can disagree... but your disagreement apears to be devoid of any actual facts, reasoning or arguement.

As you've not provided any.

 

I can disagree the sun is needed for life on earth.  I'd guess people would want that backed up by some kind of arguement though.

My post came out glitched so I just did a quick edit to point out my stance.

Gerrymandering sole purpose is for electoral purposes, this is how we get the extreme conservatives elected to the house. There are no extreme liberals in the house because there is no such thing as a major minority of liberals living in the countryside of each states. This is how the tea pary came to be, there will never be such a movement from the left in the United States. Certain situations and unequalities create communism, we are way passed that.  

You don't think there are any extreme liberals in the house?

What?   Dennis Kusinich doesn't even rank in the top 100 for most liberal.


As for the Tea Party coming from the "extreme conservative gerymander states".

Why is it that the Tea Party Candidates that got into congress defeated Democratic incumbents?   It's your opinion that the Democratic incumbants were the winners of "extremely republican districts."

Are you even remotely paying attention to anything political?

Dennis Kusinich an extreme liberal? Please spare me, you problably heard that on fox news.

I said Democrats incumbents were the winners of extremely republican districs? Really? Where? Your ass is blue, see I can make things up too.

It's obvious you think you know everything about politics, you don't.



Gerrymandering doesn't benefit one party more than another, it benefits the incumbents/establishment of both parties though ...

Essentially, how it is used is they take two districts that are somewhat competitive and divide it up so that you have two very non-competitive districts to ensure re-election. As an example, you have a district that favours Republicans 55% to 45% that neighbours a district that favours Democrats 55% to 45% and you re-draw the district boundaries so that you have one district where the Republicans are favoured 65% to 35% and a district where the Democrats are favoured 65% to 35%; and being that neither party will ever lose that seat in an election, and the real campaign becomes the primaries, it will encourage both parties to appeal more and more to their base rather than the typical voter.

Now, there are strategies one party could use to their advantage if they controlled the whole process (for example, if there was one district that favours the opposite party that was bordering several districts that favour your party you could re-draw it so that they had a massive advantage in that single district while you had a somewhat stronger advantage in the other three) but the influence of these activities is fairly limited being that there are only a few districts that could really be taken advantage of.



Teo said:
Kasz216 said:
Teo said:
Kasz216 said:
Teo said:

I disagree, gerrymandering helps the conservatives gain the vote of the uneducated.

You can disagree... but your disagreement apears to be devoid of any actual facts, reasoning or arguement.

As you've not provided any.

 

I can disagree the sun is needed for life on earth.  I'd guess people would want that backed up by some kind of arguement though.

My post came out glitched so I just did a quick edit to point out my stance.

Gerrymandering sole purpose is for electoral purposes, this is how we get the extreme conservatives elected to the house. There are no extreme liberals in the house because there is no such thing as a major minority of liberals living in the countryside of each states. This is how the tea pary came to be, there will never be such a movement from the left in the United States. Certain situations and unequalities create communism, we are way passed that.  

You don't think there are any extreme liberals in the house?

What?   Dennis Kusinich doesn't even rank in the top 100 for most liberal.


As for the Tea Party coming from the "extreme conservative gerymander states".

Why is it that the Tea Party Candidates that got into congress defeated Democratic incumbents?   It's your opinion that the Democratic incumbants were the winners of "extremely republican districts."

Are you even remotely paying attention to anything political?

Dennis Kusinich an extreme liberal? Please spare me, you problably heard that on fox news.

I said Democrats incumbents were the winners of extremely republican districs? Really? Where? Your ass is blue, see I can make things up too.

It's obvious you think you know everything about politics, you don't.

No, I heard that from living in his district for the vast majority of my life... and the fact that nobody in said district actually likes him but keeps him around because of.... gerrymandering and the fact that nobody of worth ever runs against him in a primary.

Also, yes, you did say the democratic incumbents were the winners of extremely republican districts.

Because you said the tea-party only exists because of super republican districts.   Which would mean, they would be elected in those disctricts.

You know, because otherwise you've completely defeated your own point.



Kasz216 said:

Heck, you don't even need to stay in the party that elected you in the US.

I'm assuming someone in the UK can't just say "I was elected as labor, but I'm going to be a Tory now!'


In the US... you can and MANY do switch from Republican to Democrat or vice versa at the drop of a hat.


Theoretically if you had a third party group (Like say the tea party) capture like 5-10 senate spots or 20-30 representative positions such a thing could happen but our third parties are never remotely that strong.  Well not since like the 1800s.


If there was one thing both major parties could agree with... it was laws to restirct third parties from ever having a shot.

Politicians have defected in the past, but of course the party you want to join would have to accept you I assume.



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HappySqurriel said:

Gerrymandering doesn't benefit one party more than another, it benefits the incumbents/establishment of both parties though ...

Essentially, how it is used is they take two districts that are somewhat competitive and divide it up so that you have two very non-competitive districts to ensure re-election. As an example, you have a district that favours Republicans 55% to 45% that neighbours a district that favours Democrats 55% to 45% and you re-draw the district boundaries so that you have one district where the Republicans are favoured 65% to 35% and a district where the Democrats are favoured 65% to 35%; and being that neither party will ever lose that seat in an election, and the real campaign becomes the primaries, it will encourage both parties to appeal more and more to their base rather than the typical voter.

Now, there are strategies one party could use to their advantage if they controlled the whole process (for example, if there was one district that favours the opposite party that was bordering several districts that favour your party you could re-draw it so that they had a massive advantage in that single district while you had a somewhat stronger advantage in the other three) but the influence of these activities is fairly limited being that there are only a few districts that could really be taken advantage of.

Exactly, conservatives appeal to the extreme, they always show up at the polls. There is no significant extreme liberals to appeal to, Democrats go for the average voter, liberals, and republican moderates.



Kasz216 said:
Teo said:
Kasz216 said:
Teo said:
Kasz216 said:
Teo said:

I disagree, gerrymandering helps the conservatives gain the vote of the uneducated.

You can disagree... but your disagreement apears to be devoid of any actual facts, reasoning or arguement.

As you've not provided any.

 

I can disagree the sun is needed for life on earth.  I'd guess people would want that backed up by some kind of arguement though.

My post came out glitched so I just did a quick edit to point out my stance.

Gerrymandering sole purpose is for electoral purposes, this is how we get the extreme conservatives elected to the house. There are no extreme liberals in the house because there is no such thing as a major minority of liberals living in the countryside of each states. This is how the tea pary came to be, there will never be such a movement from the left in the United States. Certain situations and unequalities create communism, we are way passed that.  

You don't think there are any extreme liberals in the house?

What?   Dennis Kusinich doesn't even rank in the top 100 for most liberal.


As for the Tea Party coming from the "extreme conservative gerymander states".

Why is it that the Tea Party Candidates that got into congress defeated Democratic incumbents?   It's your opinion that the Democratic incumbants were the winners of "extremely republican districts."

Are you even remotely paying attention to anything political?

Dennis Kusinich an extreme liberal? Please spare me, you problably heard that on fox news.

I said Democrats incumbents were the winners of extremely republican districs? Really? Where? Your ass is blue, see I can make things up too.

It's obvious you think you know everything about politics, you don't.

No, I heard that from living in his district for the vast majority of my life... and the fact that nobody in said district actually likes him but keeps him around because of.... gerrymandering and the fact that nobody of worth ever runs against him in a primary.

Also, yes, you did say the democratic incumbents were the winners of extremely republican districts.

Because you said the tea-party only exists because of super republican districts.   Which would mean, they would be elected in those disctricts.

You know, because otherwise you've completely defeated your own point.


Oh? What is my point? Please do tell.



Teo said:
Kasz216 said:
Teo said:
Kasz216 said:
Teo said:
Kasz216 said:
Teo said:

I disagree, gerrymandering helps the conservatives gain the vote of the uneducated.

You can disagree... but your disagreement apears to be devoid of any actual facts, reasoning or arguement.

As you've not provided any.

 

I can disagree the sun is needed for life on earth.  I'd guess people would want that backed up by some kind of arguement though.

My post came out glitched so I just did a quick edit to point out my stance.

Gerrymandering sole purpose is for electoral purposes, this is how we get the extreme conservatives elected to the house. There are no extreme liberals in the house because there is no such thing as a major minority of liberals living in the countryside of each states. This is how the tea pary came to be, there will never be such a movement from the left in the United States. Certain situations and unequalities create communism, we are way passed that.  

You don't think there are any extreme liberals in the house?

What?   Dennis Kusinich doesn't even rank in the top 100 for most liberal.


As for the Tea Party coming from the "extreme conservative gerymander states".

Why is it that the Tea Party Candidates that got into congress defeated Democratic incumbents?   It's your opinion that the Democratic incumbants were the winners of "extremely republican districts."

Are you even remotely paying attention to anything political?

Dennis Kusinich an extreme liberal? Please spare me, you problably heard that on fox news.

I said Democrats incumbents were the winners of extremely republican districs? Really? Where? Your ass is blue, see I can make things up too.

It's obvious you think you know everything about politics, you don't.

No, I heard that from living in his district for the vast majority of my life... and the fact that nobody in said district actually likes him but keeps him around because of.... gerrymandering and the fact that nobody of worth ever runs against him in a primary.

Also, yes, you did say the democratic incumbents were the winners of extremely republican districts.

Because you said the tea-party only exists because of super republican districts.   Which would mean, they would be elected in those disctricts.

You know, because otherwise you've completely defeated your own point.


Oh? What is my point? Please do tell.


"Gerrymandering sole purpose is for electoral purposes, this is how we get the extreme conservatives elected to the house. There are no extreme liberals in the house because there is no such thing as a major minority of liberals living in the countryside of each states. This is how the tea pary came to be, there will never be such a movement from the left in the United States. Certain situations and unequalities create communism, we are way passed that.   "


Also, you do know the Blue Dog Republicans are in fact... moderate democrats who are defying the extreme liberals right?  I mean, did you pay attention the last 2 years...?



Teo said:

I disagree, gerrymandering helps the conservatives gain the vote of the uneducated.

Again, I'll say that this can easily be turned around against you.

 

Looking at my home state, one of the districts is gerrymandered in such a way that a conservative will not ever be elected. It's also the poorest section of New Orleans with a great majority African American population. In fact, the district ends right at Jefferson parish which includes the the rest of New Orleans. (It's Louisiana District 2 if you want to look it up). This essentially guarantees that Louisiana will have at least one Democrat in the house.



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Interesting... immediatly after the Republicans win, the Fed decides to pump 600 billion into the economy via Quantative Easing.

How much you wanna bet they had that planned a while and  waited a few weeks for the elections to pass to do that?

 

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