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dunno001 on 31 October 2010

Okay? Sure, I'll give it that. The fact that worldwide, it's down only 41% versus a much stronger competition isn't too bad. However, the price spin isn't entirely accurate; it failed to account for inflation. The $299.99 of (near) today is valued at $242.22 in 2001, or $364.23 in 2001 to 2009 (the last year availiable) dollars. So yes, the PS3 still costs more than the PS2, but I don't think that it will make that drastic a change.

In all honesty, though, I do think some peoples' projections for the PS3 are... far too optimistic. The PS2 has been able to maintain sales due to its being the undisputed leader of the last generation. The PS3, not in this situation, will see considerably shorter legs. And for the developing markets, I hate to say it, but piracy is rampant in them. The PS2, cracked 6 ways from Sunday, can sell systems because of the availiability of local games that are more reasonably priced to the economies of these countries. The PS3, having only a large crack in its shell, will be stunted in these regions, as games will not be seen as affordable to the masses in them.

I'm pegging the PS3 to be about 43-45 million at the end of this year. (If you want an exact number, for giggles, 44,444,444.) And, while I don't want to see it, I predict that Nintendo will announce its successor to the Wii next year. (And no, not a WiiHD, a true successor.) With it launching in 2012, the next gen will start, slowing the legs of everything currently on the market. I'm going to guess 12.5m for PS3 in 2011, 11m in 2012, 7m in 2013 (PS4 announcement/release), 5m in 2014, and another 5m in long, for lifetime of 85m. And I'd call that okay, even in light of what the PS2 did.



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dtewi on 31 October 2010
kowenicki said:

First of all we arent talking performance in absolute terms, we are talking relative to the PS2.

I didn't set the parameters for this discussion, but I simply cannot see how down by this much is good, okay or alright.. its poor. (remember, RELATIVELY)

if you think down by an average of over 40% per marketplace is okay then fine.


Yes, we're not talking in absolute terms, which you seem to be doing.

You are not taking into account any of the factors the PS3 had against it right off from the gate, such as its price and its lack of software compared to the PS2. 

I don't care if you want to ignore them, and just show to my face the lack of sales that the PS3 has in comparison. The point is that it's doing damn well OK relative to the PS2 considering everything going against it.



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postofficebuddy on 31 October 2010
dunno001 said:

Okay? Sure, I'll give it that. The fact that worldwide, it's down only 41% versus a much stronger competition isn't too bad. However, the price spin isn't entirely accurate; it failed to account for inflation. The $299.99 of (near) today is valued at $242.22 in 2001, or $364.23 in 2001 to 2009 (the last year availiable) dollars. So yes, the PS3 still costs more than the PS2, but I don't think that it will make that drastic a change.

In all honesty, though, I do think some peoples' projections for the PS3 are... far too optimistic. The PS2 has been able to maintain sales due to its being the undisputed leader of the last generation. The PS3, not in this situation, will see considerably shorter legs. And for the developing markets, I hate to say it, but piracy is rampant in them. The PS2, cracked 6 ways from Sunday, can sell systems because of the availiability of local games that are more reasonably priced to the economies of these countries. The PS3, having only a large crack in its shell, will be stunted in these regions, as games will not be seen as affordable to the masses in them.

I'm pegging the PS3 to be about 43-45 million at the end of this year. (If you want an exact number, for giggles, 44,444,444.) And, while I don't want to see it, I predict that Nintendo will announce its successor to the Wii next year. (And no, not a WiiHD, a true successor.) With it launching in 2012, the next gen will start, slowing the legs of everything currently on the market. I'm going to guess 12.5m for PS3 in 2011, 11m in 2012, 7m in 2013 (PS4 announcement/release), 5m in 2014, and another 5m in long, for lifetime of 85m. And I'd call that okay, even in light of what the PS2 did.


You think it'll only sell another 4 million for the rest of the year? It will likely do close to that in December alone. And in regards to emerging markets, lack of piracy doesn't seem to be hurting PS3 too much.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3149828

http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/80883/pes-2010-sold-600000-copies-in-growing-latin-america-sw-market/

I can very easily see PS3 still shipping well over a million units a quarter well into 2015 and 2016. And hitting 70 million by the end of 2012 isn't out of the realm of possibility.



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dtewi on 31 October 2010
kowenicki said:
dtewi said:
kowenicki said:

First of all we arent talking performance in absolute terms, we are talking relative to the PS2.

I didn't set the parameters for this discussion, but I simply cannot see how down by this much is good, okay or alright.. its poor. (remember, RELATIVELY)

if you think down by an average of over 40% per marketplace is okay then fine.


Yes, we're not talking in absolute terms, which you seem to be doing.

You are not taking into account any of the factors the PS3 had against it right off from the gate, such as its price and its lack of software compared to the PS2. 

I don't care if you want to ignore them, and just show to my face the lack of sales that the PS3 has in comparison. The point is that it's doing damn well OK relative to the PS2 considering everything going against it.

 fuck knows how well the 360 and wii must be doing then?

stupendously incredibly well and off any possible scale i presume?

Forgive me, but I thought this discussion was about the PS2 and PS3.

Wii has been doing well compared to the PS2, 360 has not been doing as well compared to the PS2 as the PS3 has. But those are beside the point.



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REDZONE on 31 October 2010

There goes the doubters again,and the usual butt hurt MS "posters" lol.I say it will pass 100 million,40 million in 4years, with a price cut it will sell 10 million a year from here on out easily.



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MrT-Tar on 31 October 2010

The PS3 is doing incredibly well considering what it was and to a lesser degree still is.  

But 150m?  Overtaking the Wii?  Seriously guys, wtf




dunno001 on 31 October 2010
postofficebuddy said:
dunno001 said:

Okay? Sure, I'll give it that. The fact that worldwide, it's down only 41% versus a much stronger competition isn't too bad. However, the price spin isn't entirely accurate; it failed to account for inflation. The $299.99 of (near) today is valued at $242.22 in 2001, or $364.23 in 2001 to 2009 (the last year availiable) dollars. So yes, the PS3 still costs more than the PS2, but I don't think that it will make that drastic a change.

In all honesty, though, I do think some peoples' projections for the PS3 are... far too optimistic. The PS2 has been able to maintain sales due to its being the undisputed leader of the last generation. The PS3, not in this situation, will see considerably shorter legs. And for the developing markets, I hate to say it, but piracy is rampant in them. The PS2, cracked 6 ways from Sunday, can sell systems because of the availiability of local games that are more reasonably priced to the economies of these countries. The PS3, having only a large crack in its shell, will be stunted in these regions, as games will not be seen as affordable to the masses in them.

I'm pegging the PS3 to be about 43-45 million at the end of this year. (If you want an exact number, for giggles, 44,444,444.) And, while I don't want to see it, I predict that Nintendo will announce its successor to the Wii next year. (And no, not a WiiHD, a true successor.) With it launching in 2012, the next gen will start, slowing the legs of everything currently on the market. I'm going to guess 12.5m for PS3 in 2011, 11m in 2012, 7m in 2013 (PS4 announcement/release), 5m in 2014, and another 5m in long, for lifetime of 85m. And I'd call that okay, even in light of what the PS2 did.


You think it'll only sell another 4 million for the rest of the year? It will likely do close to that in December alone. And in regards to emerging markets, lack of piracy doesn't seem to be hurting PS3 too much.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3149828

http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/80883/pes-2010-sold-600000-copies-in-growing-latin-america-sw-market/

I can very easily see PS3 still shipping well over a million units a quarter well into 2015 and 2016. And hitting 70 million by the end of 2012 isn't out of the realm of possibility.

In 2 months and a week, yes. I personally think that Kinect will steal some of Move's thunder, and I also think that the success of GT5 Prologue will somewhat mute the effect of a proper GT5 release on system sales. (I'm not saying there won't be a bump, rather, it won't be as huge or sustained as some people hope.) This time span gives it an average weekly total of twice what it is now, which is an inflated number for Move's launch. As that boost shrinks, holiday sales will pick up, masking the change of events.

As for the 2015/2016 prediction, 4 million per year won't happen. There is no history for a system, other than a generation's winner, to be still selling that well 10 years after launch. This is why I said that the PS2's legs will be better- it can do that (albeit barely) 10 years after release. A system that is not as successful won't be able to replicate this.



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Serious_frusting on 31 October 2010

I have always said it will pass 100 million and i will stick with my prediction



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Wonktonodi on 31 October 2010
pezus said:
kowenicki said:
dtewi said:
kowenicki said:

First of all we arent talking performance in absolute terms, we are talking relative to the PS2.

I didn't set the parameters for this discussion, but I simply cannot see how down by this much is good, okay or alright.. its poor. (remember, RELATIVELY)

if you think down by an average of over 40% per marketplace is okay then fine.


Yes, we're not talking in absolute terms, which you seem to be doing.

You are not taking into account any of the factors the PS3 had against it right off from the gate, such as its price and its lack of software compared to the PS2. 

I don't care if you want to ignore them, and just show to my face the lack of sales that the PS3 has in comparison. The point is that it's doing damn well OK relative to the PS2 considering everything going against it.

 fuck knows how well the 360 and wii must be doing then?

stupendously incredibly well and off any possible scale i presume?

Why would the 360 be doing better against the PS2 than PS3 vs PS2?


either better than the xbox did agaist the ps2 or he very well could have meant the xb360 to the xbox and the wii to the gamecube. 



mjk45 on 31 October 2010
Ali-Kharazi said:
mjk45 said:
AnthonyW86 said:

With the recent adjustments of the PS3 and just before the holidays take off, i thought it might be interesting to look at the current situation of the PS3 compared to the PS2 at the same time frame of it's lifecycle. And my conclusion is that it's actually doing ok. First let's start off with some numbers:

System: Region Number of weeks on sale Total sales
Playstation 2 Americas 204 28,322,903
Playstation 3 Americas 204 15,748,706
Playstation 2
 Japan 205 15,146,630
Playstation 3
 Japan 205 5,711,698
Playstation 2
 EMEEA 185 24,898,883
Playstation 3
 EMEEA 185 18,797,233

Playstation 2 Total Sales: 68,368,416

Playstation 3 Total Sales: 40,257,637

Playstation 2 Total Lead: 28,110,779

As everyone can see the PS2 has a clear lead here. Breaking it down into regions, the PS3 has lost the most ground in the Americas mainly due to the Xbox 360 doing so extremely well there. Looking at Japan, and keeping in mind the scale of the market the PS3 has it's biggest fall percentage wise here with close to 10 million behind, and PS2 having sold almost three times as much in the same time frame. Lastly EMEAA actually paints the most interesting picture off al, being only 6 million behind and with the PS3 clearly outpacing it's predecessor right now.

Now you probably think nothing really special there, besides PS3 picking up some steam at the moment. But here comes the catch. The Playstation 2 launched at $299!! That's the same price as the Playstation 3 is selling for right now... 4 years after launch! Probably even more interesting, the Playstation 2 got a price cut to $199 in mid 2002, just over one and a half years after it's launch.

Know i'm not saying the PS3 will ever outsell the PS2, nor am i saying Sony didn't lose any ground to the very well performing Xbox 360 and Nintendo Wii. But it does make for an interesting case doesn't it?

The PS3 is actually do well right now while still at $299 and with big titles as GT5 and Move software support still to come. And with so much head room left price wise, isn't it likely for the PS3 to start gaining serious ground on the PS2 after a price cuts?

I'm going to drop the ball here and say it(although i don't think i will be the first). Playstation 3 will pass 100 million LTD in the end. Even more , i see a slight(all be it very slight) chance for PS3 to eventually to finish in 1st place this generation, if Wii keeps declining and we see a new Nintendo system within two years. Even if it takes another 10 years, and looking at recent PS2 shipment numbers(over 4 million this year) it really doesn't even sound that crazy.

Please share your thoughts and expectations on this, and remember i said really slight chance off finishing in first place.

THE PLAYSTATION 2 LAUNCHED AT $299 is misleading as it launched at that price in the US

PS2 Japan  39,800 yen US $299  Canada $449  UK 299 pnd Europe 430 euro Australia $749

PS3 Japan 49,800 yen US $499 -$599 Canada $549-659 UK 425 premium Europe 499-599 Australia$829 -999

the two price points reflect core - premium consoles

Yes, but you must also look at things such as inflation and exchange rates. I can only speak for Canada but i can assume similar situations for the countries. I remember that
2000 - 1CAD = 0.66USD

2010 - 1CAD = 0.98USD

So no, i didn't buy the PS2 the year it came out, I bought it around 2003 and payed $300CAD. Now things are diffeent. CAD and US get virtually the same price on new games.

i was only pointing out his  underlined PS2 LAUNCHED AT $299 was misleading as that was just the US price so i put up the other figures .

as to the rest of your post I'm not sure what you mean as the OP was talking about PS2 PS3 comparisons



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