He was dominated.

I think, with a different gameplan and a different approach though, he could have emerged victorious. As things went, it really didn't go his way. Ducking right into an uppercut, and getting hit squarely in the back of the head. He couldn't recover like he did in the Carwin fight, and Cain obviously having watched it, was aware of the danger of tiring himself out.

Cain is by far a better striker. I think lesnar should have entered slower, started pawing, found his distance and went for take down after take down. I was a bit shocked when watching the fight live he charged in and started throwing wild knees. He made quite a few errors, even when he managed to take Cain down, he was more concerned with getting himself in place then keeping Cain grounded.

He's really going to need to alter his gameplan or bring in some serious striking coaches, because standing and trading with arguably two of the best heavyweight strikers in the UFC hasn't worked out well for him so far.

Rumor is he may be facing Kongo next, he also isn't bad in the stand up.

You're so wrong, it's not even funny. Cain and Carwin are not 2 of the best HW strikers in the UFC, not by a long shot. And Lesnar has shown that he turtles up when he gets hit, reminded me of Bob Sapp.

I don't watch MMA as much as I used to. Often times now I won't even bother to watch MMA events and will only download individual fights afterwards if they are exciting or have an exciting finish (ie. Takanori Gomi knocking out Tyson Griffin). MMA can be really exciting but to be honest the ground game can be rather boring much of the time, particularly when fighters play it safe and grind out a decision instead of being active and looking for the knock out or submission. Before I used to catch every UFC and a number of other MMA events. I'd even download old UFC and PRIDE FC events. I didn't start to regularly watch PRIDE (or the UFC for that matter) until after PRIDE FC was dead.

I watched the Brock Lesnar vs. Cain Velasquez fight recently. I enjoyed seeing Brock getting beat. But it's embarrassing to see a guy like Brock being the champion. Brock doesn't like getting hit. What kind of a champion is so afraid of getting hit like that? He's the White Bob Sapp. I'm glad that Brock is no longer champ and we have a real fighter (Cain Velasquez) as UFC heavyweight champion. And to think that people were saying that Lesnar would destroy Fedor. lol. A guy that afraid of getting hit would be raped by Fedor.

Seeing as how this is a videogame site and a MMA thread, I take it most people here have played the UFC Undisputed videogames? I own 2009 and rented 2010. Personally I'm not really much of a fan of the Undisputed videogames anymore. EA Sports MMA was much better. Though I'm not very good with using the right stick for striking and I have troubles with the ground game (specifically being able to advance position while conserving stamina) so I had trouble with human opponents online and higher level AI opponents (ie. Fedor, Alistair Overeem) on Legend difficulty. I also played the PRIDE FC videogame for the PS2. I haven't touched the old UFC videogames (a friend of mine had Tapout for the original Xbox) though.

As for K-1, I've watched a number of events. Though I haven't seen a K-1 event since the 2009 WGP. I played the K-1 World GP videogame on the PS2 as well. I would love it if there was a new K-1 videogame for the Xbox 360 and PS3.

Who is then...? Kongo, Dos Santos (he's quite good), Nelson, Mir, Schaub?

8 of Carwin's 12 wins are down to his fists. All in the first round.

8 of Cain's 9 fights were ended by his fists. 7 TKO's.

The stats speak for themselves, but you only have to watch them fight, Carwin hit's damn hard, and Cain is a great precision striker.

As for Lesnar turtling up, it's unfortunate and perhaps he will never be able to change that aspect of his fight game. However, he's only fighting 2 years basically, all these other guys have been in the game far longer, so perhaps it could be down to training. I'm also convinced Lesnar does very little training off his back.

People like you are the same kind of people that say Shogun has great standup because most of his wins are by KO. I miss the good old days where we didn't have casuals who didn't know what the hell they were talking about watching MMA :(

And no, Lesnar won't ever change that, he doesn't like getting hit. Period. You can't train "chin".

So you first refute my point by simply saying 'im wrong' then when I ask you to clarify, you insult me.

Fantastic.

I didn't insult you and your reasoning as to why Cain and Shane are good strikers are poor at best. The reality is that Cain is a decent striker and Shane is a poor striker. Maybe I came across as aggressive so I apologize for that, but let me ask you, are you one of those people that just look at stats? If so, then you must think that Machida beat Shogun and that's that.

I'd say Dos Santos, Kongo and Schaub are all better than Cain and Carwin in the stand-up. Dos Santos is self-explanatory. Great hands and KO power. Kongo is a great kickboxer. I'm surprised he never tried K-1. Though he did get dropped by Frank Mir (rofl) once. Shit happens. And Brendan Schaub is a stud. 6'4", 240 pounds, athletic (former NFL player), great hands (used to be a Golden Gloves boxing champ too) and has KO power too. I probably wouldn't put Roy Nelson above Cain. Nelson is a brawler with great KO power (and he's got Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu skills and he's deceptively athletic for an obese mofo. The guy is a stud. I just don't see him having the potential that Dos Santos and Schaub do). His technical proficiency as a striker leaves more to be desired.

Frank Mir's stand-up sucks so I'm not even gonna go there. He dropped Kongo once (that doesn't mean he's better at stand up than Kongo. Shit happens) and an over-the-hill Big Nog (Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira). And he knocked out a washed up Mirko Cro Cop. And when Frank Mir is on the defensive striking-wise, he clearly sucks. Frank Mir doesn't like getting beat up. That all said, didn't GSP tap to strikes once? Some fighters, even elite level fighters, don't have that fighter mentality. They don't like getting hit.

If we look at top level heavyweight strikers outside the UFC, Alistair Overeem is a fucking beast (he's a K-1 Grand Prix regular too) but his chin isn't the best. Andrei Arlovski has great hands and KO power but he's got poor striking defense and has a glass jaw. And Fedor can hit like a truck but he's more of a brawler stand-up wise (great ground n pound though. Watch Fedor vs. Big Nog 1 in PRIDE FC 25) and he's not exactly known a a KO artist (aside from what he did to Andrei Arlovski). His bread and butter is submissions and ground n pound. But he's very capable of getting knock downs on the feet.

I watch it every now and then. Same goes for The Ultimate Fighter. I usually go to a bar and try to catch the PPV if the fights interest me.

Im the same way, even though strike force is not as good as UFC, I still watch it cuz its MMA! WEC being absorbed by UFC is gonna make for some exciting fights. Can't wait to see "Bendo" fight Frankie Edgar (I think Ben will beat Anthony and hopefully Frankie beats Maynard). Dos Santos vs Cain is also gonna be amazing.