@conegamer  see, I dont think the casual crowd will really care. COD is not a casual game. its more of a core game experience. I dont think people who have been buying and playing COD at this point are what you consider a casual gamer. So my thing is it doesnt matter what commercials are going to be shown on TV the audience for FPS on Wii is simply not as large as the HDs. If it was then I think the Wii versions of COD will at least match PS3

Well you have to make more games to grow the audience. And the really great games will float to the top. That's what happened on the HD systems, since the FPS games weren't that huge on the HD systems at first, save for the really good games (Resistance, Gears). The Wii just had Red Steel, and CoD3 as major FPS games until World at War started to crack the door some more.

@lordtheknight  thats true but your acting like there werent any FPS on Wii, EA was made MOH:Vanguard and Heroes 2 for Wii and to be fair I dont think those lit the charts up and if your making FPSs and their not doing much why would anyone keep making those kinds of games for Wii. Also look at PS3, and eastern console and I could probably count the WRPGs available on it for one hand and Fallout still did well, even after being the inferior version for so long. Either you got the audience or you dont. No amount of games will change that

I wrote "major". Vanguard was considered mediocre all around. Heroes was a spinoff even on the PSP. It's main contribution was being the first FPS to get the controls right (depending if you count Metroid Prime 3 as an FPS).

As for WRPGs, that's under the assumption most gamers divide RPGs as an east and west thing. Combine those, and both HD systems have a healthy ammount. Yet even if they don't, there is still my comment about the good ones floating to the top, even if they are few. The Wii didn't really have good FPS on the level of the other systems.

And you're ending with the locked audience fallacy, which means you don't realize that for the longest time, there was an assumption that you couldn't reach the audience that the DS and Wii managed to reach, and that there wasn't an audience for 2D games on home consoles, which used the exact same false reasons used to not support the Wii. If the locked audience were true, then the "2D games no longer sell, because the audience doesn't want them" would mean NSMBWii would have flopped, because, as you wrote, no amount of games would have changed that.

The FPS audience on the Wii is not magically locked. They just need more games to convince them they can get good games of tha type on the system.

@lordtheknight  I dont know where your getting your 2d argument from, but I know ive never said it or even heard of it. There is always an audience for that. And most gamers to divide WRPGs and JRPGs, different cultures altogether and completly diff. gameplay mechanics. just like 2d fighters and 3d fighters are different. its like sub genres.

The "locked audience" is not a fallacy, i base this on hard #s. Multiplat FPSs never sell better on Wii despite having twice the install base. You could argue "they gimped the WII" but thats crap. 1. the Wii version is cheaper, why would you expect to pay less than the HD guys for the same content and that DLC aint free. 2 what difference would it really make??? most Wii ONLY owners are not even interested in FPSs. If they were FPSs would be doing alot more than a Mil. Im not saying there is no audience im just saying that its not even close to the size that the PS360 and PC has. Why would a company risk that on Wii instead of just making shooter # 354 on the HDs that they are so nuts about??? Even if they just made exclusives(wish they did) they still have to compete against FPSs on the HD. If an HD on FPS that has an butt load of features comes out around the same time that a Wii game that for the most part will probably play like an PS2 FPS 9/10 times im going HD

" I dont know where your getting your 2d argument from, but I know ive never said it or even heard of it."

It was the drive of the industry in the mid '90s. You never heard of that?

And your FPS argument ignores the fact that the number of releases, and subsequent good to crap ratio, is far lower on the Wii, and you're acting as though larger userbases will buy anything, or at least the Wii audience should. And to the latter, I say *bleep* for thinking we're some sheep who are supposed to buy any core game thrown at us.

@lordtheknight  I remember there being a big push in the 90s cause of the 3d and whatnot, but I dont think they were trying to get rid of 2d gameplay, hell PS1 had a crap load of 2d games and hybrids.

im not saying Wii audiences should buy anything, but lets keep it real, I see a game like Cabela's deer hunter do a mil and im thinking that game cant be better than Conduit, so I do question the taste of some Wii owners, but to each his own. And if your a real FPS fan why would one only have a Wii??? Its not like its a FPS heavy console, ive always wondered why people get upset about that. I