Quite true.

I think the big problem that keeps getting dodged by many is how IMPOSSIBLE it will be to properly  track a Move install base figure based on WHATEVER sales are presented.  Its comparable to Wii Play sales, as they may seem like the game is a huge success but many purchases were likely because of the controller.  But how do you know how many bought it for that reason?  Impossible to tell.  So when individuals celebrate or demean Move sales, it really rings hollow because its based on a general ignorance as WE JUST DON'T KNOW.

As Squil mentioned on page one, though, sales of Move-only games are the most important barometer for developers outside of SCE.  Any other sales figure will have far too many variables to judge how much they should invest in future Move titles.

And what did either of them intend?

Again, you continue to reinforce Point 3.  The article qoutes Pachter as saying, "It's ahead of what I thought previously."  This means it doesn't matter what Pachter had estimated before, as he is saying he was WRONG.  As far as VGC is concerned, they are also making estimates.  Ones that ioi admits uses controller data from previous consoles to come to those estimations.  However, with the Move, there are just way too many variables to consider, so there's basically no way of knowing how accurate VGC is.

Why are you mentioning sell-through?  Reinforcing Point 1.  No one is talking about sell-through.  And the CEO's are not misleading anyone, as ALL companies (even Nintendo and MS) report shipped numbers.  Know why?  Because those numbers are finite, not estimations, and are accurate.  Like I said, I doubt anyone will be screaming "IT'S SHIPPED NOT SOLD!!" when MS releases their Kinect numbers.

@jneul

lol, I forgot to point out that those numbers are without Japan.  Something tells me Japan is going to have very similar numbers to US and Canada.  Actually, that brings up another point.  That 1 mil shipped figure is reportedly only for the US and Canada, and does not include the whole of Americas.

CGI-Quality:  Just remember, people who don't favor something will always "question" what's true or not, while other, more reasonable individuals give each side a chance.

and here you are, right on cue....

I don't know what Sony/Sony fans expected of Move.

Can you tell me please?

A revitalizing of the platform?  Some sort of gaming revolution?

Certainly a much greater set of sales to consumers and a far better resonation with the public than what has happened thus far.

Could the situation change?  Of course.

Will it change?  Let's wait and see.

My perception of their expectations?  A substantial shift in the public perception surrounding the PS3.  In the way people want to play games.  A sizeable and sustained increase in sales.

Certainly not the lacklustre sell through we've seen evidence of. 

Move has clearly not been a major flop.  But to call it a "success" is an equivelant stretch, unless you truly believe that Son'y ONLY goal with Move was to literally break even on the hardware.

Again, you see what you wish to see, not what is actually there.

Pachter has indicated, as has VGC's (regularly accurate) HW data that Move was not nearly the success it was intended to be.  Move not being a 'flop' does not in and of itself make Move a success.  Many of the variables you refer too are mitigated extensively by the extremely high tie ratio of Sports Champions.

Everyone with half a brain is talking about sell through.  Back in early 2008 Microsoft reported tiny shipped numbers because their late 2007 shipped numbers were massive, stuffing the channel.  So whilst it appeared according to their financial statements that their sales were huge, the reality is that most of those sales were still sitting on stores shelves.  So while those numbers are "finite" as you say, they are not in anyway a strong indication of whether a product is resonating with the public and whether it will be successful over the long term.

I, for one, will be far more interested in Kinect's sell-through than it's shipped numbers, as will a lot of Sony fans

Indeed, and the only true source we could ever hope to get, won't happen. Sony will always say "we've shipped 2.5 mill move" rather than "1 million install base", it just sounds better in every way to have a higher number.

Wow, you are pretty stubborn when you set your mind on what you want to believe.  You continue to use Pachter's first estimate, regardless of the fact he said he was wrong in his initial estimate.  What kind of will power does it take to ignore a fact like that?

As far as VGC accuracy goes, you do realize they just got done adjusting the PS3 sales by over 300K, right?  And one year they had to adjust the Wii's number by ~ 1 million.  Now, I'm not bashing VGC, as I'm sure they do the best with what they have, but to act like their numbers are almost always 100% accurate and set in stone is pretty ridiculous.  Especially considering the Move is the hardest thing they have ever tracked.

And how has the Move not performed to Sony's expectations?  They had to ramp up production in Americas twice, while EU is considering doing the same.  This isn't just speculation, either.  It was witnessed by online and retail stores selling out within a week or so of Move's initial launch.  Obviously, Sony sent out small supplies initially, expecting lower sales.