That should be expected of console shooters though.

I won't say they're not cheap but, it's alittle hard for me to complain after playing fps online on pc for so long - besides trying to deal with any stupidity a game itself might have, there's always the wallhacks/aimbots/blahblahetcetc.

As much as I loved CoD:UO on pc, spawn camping was horrible on some gametypes......and yes, i did it often!

I understand hardcore tactical fps on consoles were trying though, killzone 2, MAG, warhawk, socom, and bad company 1 did make an effort, but they are being systematically destroyed by the call of duty franchise and it's fanbase,

it's real sad, but what are you gonna do, when for every one gamer who likes a challenge there's 100 that's completely against it.....and still think they're hardcore.

Nice discussion people, some legit reasoning. I'm starting to wonder though, should the question be what isn't cheap?

They make t-shirts with this.

For those who say camping is cheap I disagree. It's a legit tactic that can be countered. Socom was the greatest online game I ever played... and camping was apart of life hell it was necessary from time to time.

Its only cheap if it's game-breaking, that is if the tactic will guarantee victory or guarantee the kill in any case, or forces other players to adapt to it if they want to win. To go outside the realm of FPS, snaking was game-breaking in Mario Kart DS, where it came down to a matter of snake or lose

To look back inside the realm of FPS, the noob combo from Halo 2 (i believe Plasma Gun x Needler? Didn't play it much as i never had an Xbox), but while it guaranteed a kill if it connected, players skilled enough could get around it

Camping *can* be game-breaking, but that depends on the mechanics game-by-game, and even then depends on match types (like if its a team battle, camping is okay because you have to get all the way to the other side of the map to do it, which is hard enough in itself, and nowhere is safe in a free-for-all usually, but that all depends)

I know. I've seen (the entire series of) Red vs. Blue man.

I like both COD and Socom. i think the two are different enough to co-exist.. I see what you are saying though.

P.S.. I rather play MW(insert whatever number here) Thing that peice of crap Zipper is making right now

Oh, well I haven't and didn't know that that's where it's from.