http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=117922&page=1&str=1658537271#

hows this?

What is a retailer to do when they get suckered into ordering millions of a bad product?

right.......

just like how its very hard for you when PSmove official numbers for EU was revealed right(1.5m)? thats why you couldn't stop hating and making up bullshit like how sony are just deperate for good numbers right?

yeh take your own advice and seek a PROFESSIONAL NOW.

Sounds good. :)

"At least one store will offer kinect for free with some kind of purchase."

You never specified anything, if you want to someone to bet you might want to clearly stipulate the conditions of what is considered bundling because of Kinect's failure and bundling because of special promotions. 

If I were to go through with that, and say that I won a bet because it was offered with a 1000$ tv, I would be seen as a hater, which makes me think that is your impression of me.

Which is why I said, "stop being paranoid".

No reviews, huh . . . I'm not amused, Microsoft. I hope for your sake this isn't because you're releasing anything half-finished.

I totally agree snowblind

Sorry, that doesn't cut it for me.

A review of hardware like Kinect is a review where the reviewer has the hardware and can test it in various scenarios, not in some mall that's been set up by the supplier.  That's a review.  Not the reviewer queing to try it at Macy's.

Two, while I know MS are continuing to work on Kinect with one month to go the hardware for launch has to be set.  Otherwise they are not behaving sensibly and risk releasing something buggy.

I don't get any need to hide Kinect though as it's been tested lots anyway and clearly the basic tech seems to work.

As for the games, that's where they seem to be playing coy and the main focus for me.  Again, unless they are risking releasing buggy titles, most games should be locked in now this close to launch, or very, very close to it.  In short, unless they are rushing the games to market - which I wouldn't support for other reasons - then there is no way they shouldn't be able to get reviewers copies of the games.

I actually don't think MS is looking to do much except avoid some low scores for the games in the same manner that some Move titles got, at least in the sense they won't be available at launch, but I don't like that and it simply destroys the whole notion of a valuable review.

The bottom line is they do seem to be tawdry in gettings games into reviewers hands (and by extension slow to get them the hardware, too).