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Best Modern President?

Barack Obama 44 20.85%
 
George W. Bush 21 9.95%
 
Bill Clinton 90 42.65%
 
George H.W. Bush 4 1.90%
 
Ronald Reagan 47 22.27%
 
Jimmy Carter 5 2.37%
 
Total:211
Kasz216 on 11 October 2010
Rath said:
Kasz216 said:
Rath said:
 

Lincoln kind of deserves it in my opinion. Well depending on your point of view on secession and civil rights anyway. Theres no denying he was a strong president who improved things for the blacks.

Also you have to ask, is not having anything to worry about the cause of Clintons good governance or the effect of it?

I'd say cause honestly... I mean, it's not like he stopped any external threats.  Every president but Obama had a huge external threat to worry about.

Also economically he came in right during the good part of the dot.com bubble.   He didn't have anything to do with the bubble and there was nothing that was going to prevent it's burst.

 

As for Lincoln.  He was important in providing black people with civil rights... while simaltaniously taking rights away from everybody else.   He illegally suspended haibus corpus and constantly imprisoned people for no reason and raided all media that disagreed with him.

Lincoln's main benefit was that the presidents around him were hisorically bad.  If he was put in a non-crisis presidency....

I find it hard to say on Clinton. I feel it was probably a combination of good luck and good diplomacy.

 

Also in a non-crisis situation Lincoln wouldn't have suspended Habeus Corpus and etc.


No.  But he had it in him to do so during times of Crisis.

For a comparison, when Wilson was doing all of his anti-freedom stuff during WW1 and everyone was siding with him because we were in a world war.... who was his biggest critic?

None other then Theodore Roosevelt.



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Mr Khan on 11 October 2010
Kasz216 said:
Rath said:

I find it hard to say on Clinton. I feel it was probably a combination of good luck and good diplomacy.

 

Also in a non-crisis situation Lincoln wouldn't have suspended Habeus Corpus and etc.


No.  But he had it in him to do so during times of Crisis.

For a comparison, when Wilson was doing all of his anti-freedom stuff during WW1 and everyone was siding with him because we were in a world war.... who was his biggest critic?

None other then Theodore Roosevelt.

To be fair, Wilson beat out TR for the presidency, so we can't properly assess how much of that was political or not



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mrstickball on 11 October 2010
Mr Khan said:

It's a matter of being in the right place at the right time. Hoover would have been a tremendous president if he and Coolidge had switched terms (plus then people would've gotten a better look at how truly lazy Coolidge was. The man slept 12 hours a day not including naps, which i didn't think was possible for a healthy adult. Imagine if he had been given a crisis of any sort), Hoover was good at promoting business, and would have done well at keeping the boom times rolling, but he had no feel at all for Depression.

But we can't afford those little what-ifs, can we? Judging presidents on their ideological merit is pointless at best, and revisionist at worst. We can only judge based on what they *did*

Hoover was a horrible president, and made the depression worse. He knee-jerked various laws into being to save America, which had the opposite effect (the same can be said for FDR).

I don't understand how he was pro-business, either.

IMO, the 4 worst presidents of the past 100 years are as follows:

  • FDR (expanded government by ~4000% while in office with too many programs to name)
  • Woodrow Wilson (same as FDR, but on a smaller scale. At least Harding/Cooledge reversed the crap he did. Plus he got us into a meaningless war in Europe)
  • Hoover (Smoot-Hawley, did far more to hurt deepen the depression than help it)
  • Johnson (Vietnam, Medicare)


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    AnthonyW86 on 11 October 2010

    Clinton no contest, the fact that he cheated was actually a plus for me, showed that he was only human like the rest of us.

    Anyone who voted Obama is probably under 18 so all they compare it to is Bush.



    Mr Khan on 11 October 2010
    mrstickball said:

    Hoover was a horrible president, and made the depression worse. He knee-jerked various laws into being to save America, which had the opposite effect (the same can be said for FDR).

    I don't understand how he was pro-business, either.

    IMO, the 4 worst presidents of the past 100 years are as follows:

  • FDR (expanded government by ~4000% while in office with too many programs to name)
  • Woodrow Wilson (same as FDR, but on a smaller scale. At least Harding/Cooledge reversed the crap he did. Plus he got us into a meaningless war in Europe)
  • Hoover (Smoot-Hawley, did far more to hurt deepen the depression than help it)
  • Johnson (Vietnam, Medicare)
    		•

    You're like, the anti-me or something. First you've held up Calvin Coolidge as an example of a "good" president, then listed two of my favorites as the four worst of the past century.



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    themanwithnoname on 11 October 2010
    Mr Khan said:
    mrstickball said:

    Hoover was a horrible president, and made the depression worse. He knee-jerked various laws into being to save America, which had the opposite effect (the same can be said for FDR).

    I don't understand how he was pro-business, either.

    IMO, the 4 worst presidents of the past 100 years are as follows:

  • FDR (expanded government by ~4000% while in office with too many programs to name)
  • Woodrow Wilson (same as FDR, but on a smaller scale. At least Harding/Cooledge reversed the crap he did. Plus he got us into a meaningless war in Europe)
  • Hoover (Smoot-Hawley, did far more to hurt deepen the depression than help it)
  • Johnson (Vietnam, Medicare)
    		•

    You're like, the anti-me or something. First you've held up Calvin Coolidge as an example of a "good" president, then listed two of my favorites as the four worst of the past century.

    Also interesting that Nixon is conspicuously absent from that list.



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    Kasz216 on 12 October 2010
    themanwithnoname said:
    Mr Khan said:

    You're like, the anti-me or something. First you've held up Calvin Coolidge as an example of a "good" president, then listed two of my favorites as the four worst of the past century.

    Also interesting that Nixon is conspicuously absent from that list.

    What about Nixon would put him on that list in your opinion?  Watergate... and?



    Kasz216 on 12 October 2010
    Mr Khan said:

    It's a matter of being in the right place at the right time. Hoover would have been a tremendous president if he and Coolidge had switched terms (plus then people would've gotten a better look at how truly lazy Coolidge was. The man slept 12 hours a day not including naps, which i didn't think was possible for a healthy adult. Imagine if he had been given a crisis of any sort), Hoover was good at promoting business, and would have done well at keeping the boom times rolling, but he had no feel at all for Depression.

    But we can't afford those little what-ifs, can we? Judging presidents on their ideological merit is pointless at best, and revisionist at worst. We can only judge based on what they *did*

    I... couldn't disagree more.

    To judge soley based on outcome is true pointlessness.

    It's like having a shooting competition where I have a scoped sniper rifle, and you have a pistol... and saying I'm the better shooter because of it... even though my shooting style may of been quite off and saved by the scope.



    numonex on 12 October 2010

    Jimmy Carter was the worst by a long way. Carter was in charge when the economy went down the drain during the late  1970s and he was a weak President. The best of a bad bunch. I have no idea. 

    JFK would get my vote if he was on the list as being the best President since World War 2. A man who stood for something and he was an independent, free thinking statesman. Modern world leaders  are mere puppets of the same Corporate machine. Gone are the days where a leader stands for the people, civil rights and justice for all. 

    In my opinion LBJ  was in on the JFK assassination. Lee Harvey Oswald did not act alone, despite what we have been told. LBJ, the deputy President had everything to gain by the sudden death of JFK. Nixon could not stand that he was cheated of the Presidency by a rigged count in Chicago, Illinois during the 1960 election. The JFK assassination will forever remain a mystery. 



    themanwithnoname on 12 October 2010
    Kasz216 said:
    themanwithnoname said:

    Also interesting that Nixon is conspicuously absent from that list.

    What about Nixon would put him on that list in your opinion?  Watergate... and?


    Are you really implying Watergate is less legitimate to get him on that list than something like Medicare? Watergate is more than enough, but feel free to add the economy tanking in the mid 70s and the Cambodian Incursion.



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