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Wii 'could be in trouble' post-Christmas - Iwata

Wii will continue to be s... 69 17.97%
 
It's true Wii has peaked 193 50.26%
 
Let's hope not 25 6.51%
 
Wii will be on the market for years to come 33 8.59%
 
We need Super Wii 64 16.67%
 
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axt113 on 17 October 2010
Cheebee said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Cheebee said:

Gosh, could someone just ban that axt guy? :-S He's too awkward to be taken seriously.


Just because you don't like his arguments or him making a lot of them is not reason for a ban. That goes against the very spirit of these boards.

Obviously I was kidding, come on, man.

He's just as ignorant as they come, at first it was funny, but when someone's so obviously making no shred of sense and blatantly dismisses other persons' (thoroughly explained and founded) notions, that he may in fact not be right, it just gets old. Fast.


 my arguments are actually backed up by facts, since you can see the sales figures and the momentum effect of the games, yours are not



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axt113 on 17 October 2010
theRepublic said:
axt113 said:
theRepublic said:

So in other words, you have no argument.  You are just repeating yourself.  You can't make similar games expecting expecting them all to be system sellers.  That doesn't add value for prospective customers.

Actually its you who doesn't have an argument, I've already shown why your games don;t add any value, you haven't shown why old school games can;t add extra value, in fact, sales of 2D games on older consoles and their system pushing power would in fact disagree with you, look at the DS and GBA, chock full of 2D old school games, and those games added value, which explains the massive DS sales, on the other hand, the Wii momentum was lost by your so called diverse games, which didn't add value, DS sales and the sellers on its systems, seems to indicate that multiple old school games and the expanded audience games are far better at adding value to a system than your so called diverse games involving 3D mario, 3D Zelda and 3D Metroid, which didn't add value at all

Show me a successful  console that doesn't have diversity in its lineup.


NES no 3D games like Galaxy, Zelda Metroid, huge success, it was entirely about what we wold refer to as old school games, 2D, and yet still sold extremely well

 

Thanks for playing

 

 



Rumors indicate that it is planning on following the first approach, sticking a new, motion-sensitive controller onto an existing console. Our perspective is that this is the worst of the three options.

-Clayton Christensen back in 2007 already knew Move would be a bad idea

axt113 on 17 October 2010
Bong Lover said:
axt113 said:
 


No actually I am, its just that your arguments against it aren't very serious, no one has shown how games like 3D Mario, Zelda, Metroid are needed or add value, all your arguments have been that Nintendo needs diversity, but the fact is, NES never had those games, its games are what is called retro/oldschools games today, and it sold very well, especially for its era, and even today those types of games sell well as shown by NSMB Wii

 

On the other hand the so called diversity games, the Galaxy, Other M, Skyward sword games and those like them, have been pushed for three generations, and have consistently underperformed , two of those generations were absolute dogs for Nintendo, and this gen those games have helped to kill Nintendo;s momentum.  While games like NSMB and th expanded audience games pushed Nintendo momentum.

 

So really please I've been waiting, show me why those games are needed, you keep saying Nintendo needs diversity, but  that;s not true, those games didn't exist in the NES era, and Nintendo was fine, so why are they needed now, especially when they have been shown to be failures with regards to momentum or hardware sales?


Ok, if you are serious then I recommend you read the post you reply to. I said that not all Nintendo released games are meant to expand the user base.

Obviously, some games are created with the specific goal of getting people to buy hardware, but Nintendo is more than just a pure hardware producer. They are also the worlds most successful games publisher. As a publisher they are interested in releasing games that make profit for example. Sure, you could argue that a game that makes a certain profit is a waste of resources since there is potentially a game that could make more profit and sell more hardware, but that argument quickly degenerates to every single piece of software ever created being a waste of resources since they took time and money away from titles that were potentially more successful.

This is where your argument is very thin. While Nintendo certainly has created a few titles that probably were meant to increase console sales but failed, that is not true for most of the games they have developed for the Wii.


If they aren;t seeling consoles or maintaining momentum, then they are a waste

Nintendo's key business is in selling its consoles since its a console maker, and games that sell hardware are higher profit makers than games that do not

 

Also in business, a company is supposed to choose between investments and pick the one that makes the best return, the games I've been pointing to as wastes, 3D Zelda, Metroid Galazy, had smaller returns



Rumors indicate that it is planning on following the first approach, sticking a new, motion-sensitive controller onto an existing console. Our perspective is that this is the worst of the three options.

-Clayton Christensen back in 2007 already knew Move would be a bad idea

theRepublic on 17 October 2010
axt113 said:
theRepublic said:
axt113 said:
theRepublic said:

So in other words, you have no argument.  You are just repeating yourself.  You can't make similar games expecting expecting them all to be system sellers.  That doesn't add value for prospective customers.

Actually its you who doesn't have an argument, I've already shown why your games don;t add any value, you haven't shown why old school games can;t add extra value, in fact, sales of 2D games on older consoles and their system pushing power would in fact disagree with you, look at the DS and GBA, chock full of 2D old school games, and those games added value, which explains the massive DS sales, on the other hand, the Wii momentum was lost by your so called diverse games, which didn't add value, DS sales and the sellers on its systems, seems to indicate that multiple old school games and the expanded audience games are far better at adding value to a system than your so called diverse games involving 3D mario, 3D Zelda and 3D Metroid, which didn't add value at all

Show me a successful  console that doesn't have diversity in its lineup.


NES no 3D games like Galaxy, Zelda Metroid, huge success, it was entirely about what we wold refer to as old school games, 2D, and yet still sold extremely well

Thanks for playing

*facepalm*

If you can't see all the diversity in the NES line up then you are not worth talking to.



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Khuutra on 17 October 2010

This conversation has slipped beneath the integrity of everyone involved.



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axt113 on 17 October 2010
theRepublic said:
axt113 said:
theRepublic said:
axt113 said:
theRepublic said:

So in other words, you have no argument.  You are just repeating yourself.  You can't make similar games expecting expecting them all to be system sellers.  That doesn't add value for prospective customers.

Actually its you who doesn't have an argument, I've already shown why your games don;t add any value, you haven't shown why old school games can;t add extra value, in fact, sales of 2D games on older consoles and their system pushing power would in fact disagree with you, look at the DS and GBA, chock full of 2D old school games, and those games added value, which explains the massive DS sales, on the other hand, the Wii momentum was lost by your so called diverse games, which didn't add value, DS sales and the sellers on its systems, seems to indicate that multiple old school games and the expanded audience games are far better at adding value to a system than your so called diverse games involving 3D mario, 3D Zelda and 3D Metroid, which didn't add value at all

Show me a successful  console that doesn't have diversity in its lineup.


NES no 3D games like Galaxy, Zelda Metroid, huge success, it was entirely about what we wold refer to as old school games, 2D, and yet still sold extremely well

Thanks for playing

*facepalm*

If you can't see all the diversity in the NES line up then you are not worth talking to.


If you didn;t read my argumetns, you aren;t worth talking to, as I've said fro mthe beginning, I'm against diversity in the form of games that don;t add value, I pointed to 2D games as games that often add value, old school games I said and 3D that does not, how hard is it for you to follow that, apparently very hard since you seem to have totally missed that.  Read it, I reposted it below, old school games, like the ones on NES, not games like Galaxy.

I'll say it slowly for you

Old...school...games...not...wasted...3D...games...like...galaxy

 

I recommend reading in the future, it'll help your arguments



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-Clayton Christensen back in 2007 already knew Move would be a bad idea

axt113 on 17 October 2010
Khuutra said:

This conversation has slipped beneath the integrity of everyone involved.


And it seems the reason for that is people didn't read before they responded to me, judging by Republic's last comment

 

Let me help you guys out:

 

Here was my first comment on the issue:

 

I hope Nintendo finally wises up after skyward sword flops, and finally gives up these foolish games, and gives the market what it wants, old school games, how many old school system sellers could have been released instead of wasting time and resources on games like Galaxy 2, other M and Skyward Sword, it boggles the mind how Nintendo has sabotaged its own momentum

 

So really, if people read, then maybe they'd have a decent argument against what I've been saying



Rumors indicate that it is planning on following the first approach, sticking a new, motion-sensitive controller onto an existing console. Our perspective is that this is the worst of the three options.

-Clayton Christensen back in 2007 already knew Move would be a bad idea

Khuutra on 17 October 2010
axt113 said:

And it seems the reason for that is people didn't read before they responded to me, judging by Republic's last comment

Let me help you guys out:

Here was my first comment on the issue:

I hope Nintendo finally wises up after skyward sword flops, and finally gives up these foolish games, and gives the market what it wants, old school games, how many old school system sellers could have been released instead of wasting time and resources on games like Galaxy 2, other M and Skyward Sword, it boggles the mind how Nintendo has sabotaged its own momentum

So really, if people read, then maybe they'd have a decent argument against what I've been saying

Stop, and preserve your own dignity.



axt113 on 17 October 2010
Khuutra said:
axt113 said:

And it seems the reason for that is people didn't read before they responded to me, judging by Republic's last comment

Let me help you guys out:

Here was my first comment on the issue:

I hope Nintendo finally wises up after skyward sword flops, and finally gives up these foolish games, and gives the market what it wants, old school games, how many old school system sellers could have been released instead of wasting time and resources on games like Galaxy 2, other M and Skyward Sword, it boggles the mind how Nintendo has sabotaged its own momentum

So really, if people read, then maybe they'd have a decent argument against what I've been saying

Stop, and preserve your own dignity.


My Dignity is very much preserved, and was never in danger, since no one gave a single reasonable argument why I was wrong, they kept talking about diversity, but NES didn't have that diversity, since it couldn't output 3D, and yet sold very very well, especially compared to the systems which focused heavily on 3D games of Mario, Zelda and Metroid and the like, GCN and N64, and we see with Wii, its version of those 3D games have not added to the momentum or sales of the system, so why have diversity just for the sake of diversity, when systems like NES didn't have those games, and did quite well, and Wii has done better when not focusing on those games.  The only people who should worry about their dignity are the ones who disagree with me without reasoned arguments.



Rumors indicate that it is planning on following the first approach, sticking a new, motion-sensitive controller onto an existing console. Our perspective is that this is the worst of the three options.

-Clayton Christensen back in 2007 already knew Move would be a bad idea

Khuutra on 17 October 2010
axt113 said:
Khuutra said:

Stop, and preserve your own dignity.

My Dignity is very much preserved, and was never in danger, since no one gave a single reasonable argument why I was wrong, they kept talking about diversity, but NES didn't have that diversity, since it couldn't output 3D, and yet sold very very well, especially compared to the systems which focused heavily on 3D games of Mario, Zelda and Metroid and the like, GCN and N64, and we see with Wii, its version of those 3D games have not added to the momentum or sales of the system, so why have diversity just for the sake of diversity, when systems like NES didn't have those games, and did quite well, and Wii has done better when not focusing on those games.  The only people who should worry about their dignity are the ones who disagree with me without reasoned arguments.

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I must think on this.

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I have finished thinking on this. I have entered the fray, may God have mercy on my soul.

Why do you think that "diversity" only equates to 2-D and 3-D? You are using the word "diversity" incorrectly, in a way that is meaningless in most contexts.